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Sweet Home Chicago
« on: August 14, 2018, 02:19:50 PM »
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2018, 06:40:36 PM »
This is a contentious and dated question... So in light of these stats and realities, won't curbing gun ownership help reduce these incidents drastically even if it does curtail some freedom?
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2018, 01:46:58 AM »
The only way to reduce these stats would be a total gun ban, and then a Judge Dredd style on site justice should be handed out to everyone who still wants to use guns.
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2018, 04:06:55 AM »
The only way to reduce these stats would be a total gun ban, and then a Judge Dredd style on site justice should be handed out to everyone who still wants to use guns.

I think that's too radical a move for too many Americans. It probably needs to be a stepped change to first ban fully automatic weapons with a view to just BB guns ;D
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2018, 05:05:00 PM »
Like some of you here, I have kids who go to school.  I fear that one day, I'll get a call from school about a lockdown or something which occurs far too frequently these days.
Seriously, when are Americans going to wake up and take action to get rid of all this violence?    Kids are crying for help from lawmakers and yet nothing happens.
I used to live in Evanston, IL back in the 70's as a kid and while violence was present then, nothing even close to what is going on today.

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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2018, 12:14:07 AM »
Here’s a screenshot from the site that shows the murder rate was actually higher in the 70s and 80s and early 90s. I was just a kid in the 80s but I remember the crack epidemic and gangs being a big part of it back then.



In Chicago gangs are still the main problem today but out here in the boonies where I live we don’t even lock our cars or houses except maybe when we leave for a few days. Unfortunately sometimes innocent people and kids get caught in the crossfire in the city. Some of these neighborhoods are essentially third world countries.

The vast majority of the time these people aren’t law abiding gun owners that bought their guns legally or are even legally capable or licensed own one. It also shows on this graph when the handgun ban in Chicago was in effect from 1982 to 2010.

Seems a simple solution to just ban guns but this nation is awash in guns. Most estimates believe there are somewhere between 270 and 370 MILLION guns in circulation in the states.

If the government forced people to give them up their legally purchased firearms (the only ones the government can really track down) then they’d be taking them away from the people who very rarely use them in homicides.

Then the criminals would have all the black market/stolen/smuggled guns. I suppose over the course of some decades eventually a lot of those guns and ammo would end up coming out of circulation but it would take a long time. Definitely a major problem and one that’s very contentious and not easily solved.
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2018, 03:32:12 PM »
You're right.  70's Chicago wasn't exactly safe.  And I am shocked to learn that current numbers are not as bad as it was in '74!!
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2018, 04:03:06 PM »
How did you guys have a 'normal' life?  :o
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2018, 04:05:50 PM »
How did you guys have a 'normal' life?  :o

I’m guessing normal is as normal does... you wouldn’t know anything different I guess...

London at the moment is seeing more gang related violence than most
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2018, 05:47:25 PM »
How did you guys have a 'normal' life?  :o

just the basic stuff

staying in the car around downtown Chicago. (day and night) 
no walking outside after dark.

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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2018, 07:29:47 PM »

no walking outside after dark.

Seriously?!
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2018, 12:38:27 AM »
Unless you want to get mugged...
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2018, 07:52:05 AM »
There's violence everywhere.  I've been mugged twice in Chicago, wash dc once, once in Athens, once on a train from Rome to Switzerland and once in Sydney.  Free likes to adventure when he travels...

As mbbg says, areas of Chicago are worse than the 3rd world, the welfare state is a factor... the Robert Taylor projects (now closed) where 2 crack heads tried to kill me for my wallet (little tip, don't mug a division 1 wrestler with a tire iron in his hands without a gun) had thousands of people who have never left a 15 mile radius...they live in public housing and have a welfare office, liquor stores and crack...

Banning guns sounds like a good plan except for the simple fact that it's really easy to enforce against law abiding gun owners and really really really hard to enforce against criminals...

'Merica was founded on a mistrust of government and in my experience government sucks at pretty much everything...the second amendment to the constitution is clear, we have the right to bear arms against any and all threats to our freedom...I don't own guns and I don't like them...prefer to settle any problems with my bear hands...but guns don't kill people, people kill people...

I think a better solution is prison reform...you shoot somebody, you go to a work camp and are worked to death in a chain gang....
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Re: Sweet Home Chicago
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2018, 07:48:26 PM »
Ok...am realizing that last post got a little militiaeeyyy...

People should all be good...whether or not you believe in Jesus...well...I'm not into the whole deity thing but I am into loving one another and enjoyable nag all the tremendous experiences and beauty the world has to offer....lets just get along bro...if you can't be cool, a man has to defend his life and liberty but that should only be a last resort...in fact I think we should bring back duels on not with swords or pistoles but with bare handed fighting...I would vote for no guns but legal fist fights to settle differences...
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