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Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« on: February 01, 2018, 09:58:55 PM »
I've gotten on the JDM kick since buying the X-CBP irons and took a flier on the Romaro 460HX 10* with a Crazy TJ46 Noir shaft 7.7 flex in 45.5" length. My SS is avg 105mph with a somewhat aggressive transition. Fight duck hooks with a low/mid flight and low spin.  Wondering how this combo would be for me. Any thoughts?

Also, I'm worried about the shaft being too stiff and was thinking of butt trimming it without tipping to help soften the flex. I'd want to get it to 44" so wonder if straight butt trim would be good or if I should tip it some too.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2018, 12:57:38 AM »
Butt trimming will also make the shaft play stiffer, not nearly as much as topping it though.
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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2018, 02:47:59 AM »
As Jan said, tipping it will make it stiffer. If you want to play it shorter and not make it stiffer then butt trim. Only way to make it softer is to add weight to the head which will change swingweight.
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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2018, 08:02:03 AM »
How does adding weight to the head soften the flex?  Also, what headweight is the 7.7 flex based off of and what length? Standard 460hx head seems to be 306g but seller on Rakuten has it listed at 310g so how many grams equals how less stiff?

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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2018, 08:25:55 AM »
1 swing weight point or ~2g head weight changes the frequency between 1-2cpm. To put that in a perspective: ~3cpm is 1/3 of a flex and the same happens when you do hard or soft stepping.
If you shorten the shaft by 0.5" you will lose 3SWP (or ~6g head weight). Some people like to add weight to get the old swing weight back, some people don't need it. It's all personal feeling and how sensitive someone is. Shortening the butt end will stiffens the shaft a little bit but not as much as tip trimming it. How much it will affect the shaft depends on the shaft.

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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2018, 08:40:17 AM »
Wouldn't you need a baseline headweight for the shaft and cpm?  So if I shorten and inch and a half in this scenario and add headweight to get a D2 or more SW, then what would the flex play to?

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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2018, 09:01:37 AM »
I would do the following to get a feeling for the possible changes without ”damaging“ the club or shaft too much.
Mark the shorter length with some masking take on the grip and hit some balls with gripping below that mark. If you like the feel of the club and the ball flight: just cut it off and regrip it.
If it feels to light in terms of swing weight: add some lead tape and see how it changes the swing weight and the flex. You don’t have to add the whole amount at once - make it step by step in 2 or 3 gram steps until you reach your desired feeling and ball flight.
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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2018, 10:33:57 AM »
I know I'll get along better with a shorter length driver as I've experimented with it in the past. The question really comes down to the swingweight. Having said that, won't the SW go up by butt trimming?

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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2018, 12:14:10 PM »
The swing weight scale gives you a reading for how topheavy the club is. If you shorten a shaft the lever length will be shorter. That way the swing weight gets lighter. How much and in which way this will have an affect on you and your swing can't be said before you try it. That's why I suggested to grip the club shorter and mark the shorter length for a first test.

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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2018, 05:32:36 PM »
If you follow HisAirness generic baseline calculation it means that butt trimming the shaft by 1.5” will essentially mean that you are loosing 9 SWP. To get back to the original SW you would need to add roughly 18gr. of weight to the head. By doing that CPM would drop by around 14 CPM (+/-). 10 CPM difference is about 1 full flex difference.
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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2018, 08:38:52 PM »
Thanks!  I'll try it out before shortening.

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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2018, 08:50:08 PM »
Cutting 1.5 off the butt is drastic.  It will stiffen the shaft a tad as some have said.  Some tricks to play with to regain the 9 sw points lost.  Add head weight.  2 grams per sw pts,  go to a heavier non counter balanced shaft and use a much lighter grip. Every 4 grams lighter is abiut 0.75 sw gained.  Good luck.
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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2018, 09:48:42 PM »
Thanks for all the help. If butt trimming still stiffens the shaft, then why do manufacturers recommend tipping when shortening a wood shaft to play in a 3 wood vs driver? Maybe I have it all wrong.

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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2018, 09:49:28 PM »
The noir shaft is more active which may not be best suited for someone whose miss is a snipe hook. Therefore I’d error on the side of tipping.

The HX 460 head is very hot and has a crisp feel. I was in love with it for a while with an Attas 3 shaft in it. It does seem to have a lot of bulge and roll and some (including myself) ended up finding out that it was a little difficult to control.
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Re: Romaro 460HX with Crazy TJ46 Noir combo
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2018, 09:54:45 PM »
Thanks MBBG. I actually went off of your reviews in part from years back when going with the Romaro. Swayed me from a AF103 I had my eye on. We'll see how it works out but I probably should have come here before the purchase.

Let's say I went the route of asking first. What would be the recommendation for driver and shaft?