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Callaway Epic Thread
« on: January 04, 2017, 10:46:49 PM »
http://cmp.callawaygolf.com/epic/

They finally released the info on these today and I have a feeling they will continue to be a big buzz into 2017 season.

I find it particularly interesting that the technology they are touting is exactly the opposite concept of what Ryoma touts in their Maxima heads. (Eliminating crown and sole flex rather than maximizing it).

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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2017, 10:49:39 AM »
Just had 4 swings (no warm up) with the sub zero and an Aldila Rogue 60x on trackman. Best feeling Callaway driver ever. A lot softer than I was expecting.

Best hit was 103mph, 265 carry with 282 total. Spin was 2200. That's better than the M1 I was shaft fitted on only a month ago.

The smash factor is insane. Never ever had 1.50 before but had it on 3 out of the 4 swings. Need to warm up next time. A club tech at my builders hit 10 shots before me, all of them at 1.50 except 2 that were 1.51!!

Very good. Gonna have to test it against my ZY-11.

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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2017, 11:08:43 AM »
Will be interesting to see what it's like, will see if I can hit it next to the Ryoma once I've had that built, also want to give the new TM M2 a hit.
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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 11:34:06 AM »
The new M2 performs pretty similar to the old one for me. Sound and feel was Miles better with the 2016 model.

Hope we get our epic demos soon, can't wait to hit it again and order my gamer. ;)
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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2017, 03:55:06 PM »
Good to hear the feel is soft.   Rick Shiels video says it feels harder than the previous gen models.

As for smash factor,  apparently my local shop fixes it to 1.45 so that even bad hits go longer on the LM.   It's a sales strategy.
Not saying that's the case you have ... but consistently hitting 1.5 seems a bit too optimistic.

I would say , take your ZY-11 and do a head to head comparo of numbers under the same LM setting.
Then you can tell how each of the drivers perform relative to each other.


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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 12:19:42 AM »
From the few hit I had with it so far I can confirm the consisten high smash factors. That was on our own launch monitor.
Feel to me was soft, best feeling driver in a while.

Will comment further when I have had more hits... hope the demo arrives soon.
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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 07:00:11 AM »
This is the only USDM driver that has caught my interest in... a while (can't even remember the last time I wanted to have a closer look at any USDM driver). Luckily I am in the market for a new driver  :P
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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 11:06:47 AM »
I'm booked in a week on Sunday for a Fitting!!
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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2017, 01:21:42 AM »
Just had a fitting this morning with the Callaway representative pro. Could not do Trackman numbers as he was busy with lessons but he let me hit it with a couple of shafts.

This head is superb!

It is as long as any of my JDM drivers. It has a dull twack sound but very easy to get used to. Feel is soft and not as hot as some of my JDM drivers.

The best part about it is the very solid feel you get off the face. It just doesn't twist or flex, and goes pretty much wherever the face is pointing with a purpose. Even mishits felt solid. There is no trampoline effect or hot springy face going on. Just solid and powerful. I think this is the main reason I am contemplating getting one. This is distinctly different from most other drivers I have tried in the past.

I tried the standard Epic and it was low spin enough for me. I am pretty sure the Sub-Zero would be very difficult for me to hit although I have an average 100 mph swing speed.

Still need to work on the right shaft I feel to get the most out of this driver. I found the 65 gms Fujikura a better fit for me while the 55 gms HZRDOUS was too low spin and my ball started lower and kept falling out of the sky.

Worth a shot!
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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2017, 02:35:22 AM »
Good to hear the feel is soft.   Rick Shiels video says it feels harder than the previous gen models.

As for smash factor,  apparently my local shop fixes it to 1.45 so that even bad hits go longer on the LM.   It's a sales strategy.
Not saying that's the case you have ... but consistently hitting 1.5 seems a bit too optimistic.

I would say , take your ZY-11 and do a head to head comparo of numbers under the same LM setting.
Then you can tell how each of the drivers perform relative to each other.

GC2 foresight has a 1.45 default for the smash factor because it only measures ball speed and not club head speed.  the 1.45 default is plugged in and allows a swing speed to be estimated......poor hits do not go further, because on a poor hit ball speed will be low and the smash factor is set at 1.45, the swing speed will show up as 85mph even though it was a 100mph swing with poor contact.....distance does not change

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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2017, 03:45:21 AM »
These are starting to get almost as pricey as JDM drivers. Is this worth it comparing to... let's say a 2016 Ryoma Maxima or JBeam ZY series (implying you got along well with those models)?
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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2017, 04:29:04 PM »
I wonder if there will be a JDM version or maybe Legacy??
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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2017, 11:46:43 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqEfHKnyTZ8

Ryo Ishikawa is apparently getting 1.5 m/s more ball speed ... that's 3.3 mph! 
His max ball speed used to be 77 m/s (172.2 mph) 
but just by switching driver he now gets 78.5 m/s  (or 175.5 mph) 
So assuming a perfect smash factor, his swing speed is around 118 mph.

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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2017, 11:51:41 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqEfHKnyTZ8

Ryo Ishikawa is apparently getting 1.5 m/s more ball speed ... that's 3.3 mph! 
His max ball speed used to be 77 m/s (172.2 mph) 
but just by switching driver he now gets 78.5 m/s  (or 175.5 mph) 
So assuming a perfect smash factor, his swing speed is around 118 mph.

Are you tempted nob?
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Re: Callaway Epic Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2017, 06:09:38 PM »
Oh Absolutely.   That "Jailbreak" technology is very convincing and believable. 
I called all the local major shops in the Seattle area last weekend and they will not have a demo for another couple of weeks!!

In the Ishikawa video he has a Sub Zero and also a normal GBB Epic with a bonded hosel ... I guess that one is the GBB Epic Star? 
Since I am not a big fan of adjustable hosels, GBB Epic Star might be the one for me.
Although I am hearing that the Sub Zero with the weight in the back is the most forgiving option...
 
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