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General Category => Japanese Golf Gear => Topic started by: nobwas on February 24, 2018, 07:44:27 PM

Title: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: nobwas on February 24, 2018, 07:44:27 PM
http://gifu-advantage.com/blog.php?id=831

Release in April.   445cc. All Titanium construction this time.  SP700 face!
Gonna have to get one to pair it with my AAA Ď15  shaft!!

Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 24, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
Looks to be a shallow face head?
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: nobwas on February 24, 2018, 10:16:06 PM
From the pics it does look like mid shallow to shallow profile which I do not mind.
Really glad to see they went with Sp700 and also moved away from carbon crown.
Pretty excited about this one!

Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: freehb on February 25, 2018, 02:01:36 PM
Oh my, that is a nice looking head.  I prefer a shallower profile...seems to suit my swing for some reason...that's definitely on our radar for free agents this season...very very nice!
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: tsupo67 on February 25, 2018, 05:58:06 PM
had my first waggle  with the carbon bottomed  last week,  didnt hit it but by the looks of it this has got to be one incredibly easy to hit drivers. looks as forgiving as ive seen
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: nobwas on February 27, 2018, 10:00:32 AM
Now that is a good looking head.   Better than the Modart I have now.

Apparently slightly open face with draw biased weight ...   
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: mauvanilla on June 12, 2018, 05:20:47 AM
Been busy and quite difficult to post even though I read the forum a lot. So; I thought there was a review on this one but I couldn't find on the search.

SO apologies and please allow me a quick review (which surely lacks the technical wording). For a month or so; I ve got a new RS-D on a Crazy CB-80LS SX (bought on buyee Ö That Samurai-Golf shop which by the way is a very nice seller) swing weight is D2.

I still hold another Grandista in one of my bags (RS-001 - the DAT55G face) on a Tour AD MJ-7 S; it has been one of the drivers I really like even though the shaft is not that "refined".

In anyway; the new Grandista is simply excellent - forgiving and long. The feel is not super soft nor super hard; it seems a very "sober" and "well balanced" head.

It is very forgiving (really easy to hit) but also long (I think the shaft contributes for this).

In any way; a highly recommended driver and in my very humble opinion; Grandista stands there in the top among the best (for me a favorite!)
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: nobwas on June 12, 2018, 08:15:51 AM
Couldnít agree more!!  I have a 9 deg head shafted with AAA 2015.  The Trajectory is on the low side but I am getting so much more roll after the ball lands.   In fact I got my first Longest Drive in a Field Day last weekend in a 9 and under handicap division for the Menís club at my home course!!  The feel off the face to me is just right.  Not overly muted.. just a nice softer metallic sound that is pleasing to the ears.  As Mauvanilla says,  this head is very forgiving.  Shape is very traditional looking and just beautiful to look at.  The head is draw biased so my ball flight has a nice baby draw but when I consciously create a bit more lag in my swing it goes straight with a very strong trajectory.   I read that this head was designed as a countermeasure against big 460 heads that are harder to square at impact due to the longer CG distance from the axis of rotation.  And that it is.  The ease of being able to square the face is contributing to the higher percentage of fairways I am hitting these days.  Also marked a season low of 74 with this driver in the bag! 
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: mauvanilla on July 02, 2018, 08:07:10 AM
Sorry bringing this back; but I need to share with the forum Bros. My last five rounds with this driver has been nothing short of spectacular!

And if I may emphasize; is not only long but is "forgiving long". One of my buddies who is a scratch golfer hit last week when I was in Bali and said it is indeed a fantastic driver. He thought it was a high-cor "illegal" one...

All of my longest drivers in my home course "Discovery Bay Hong Kong" were achieved with this one...

Very little talked about it; so I thought I should bump this thread back up.

And just hijacking a bit; I ve got one of those Bamboos Sankiplanaria shafts and will try to write a review the soonest.

Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: wmclarenf1 on July 02, 2018, 09:58:16 AM
Sorry bringing this back; but I need to share with the forum Bros. My last five rounds with this driver has been nothing short of spectacular!

And if I may emphasize; is not only long but is "forgiving long". One of my buddies who is a scratch golfer hit last week when I was in Bali and said it is indeed a fantastic driver. He thought it was a high-cor "illegal" one...

All of my longest drivers in my home course "Discovery Bay Hong Kong" were achieved with this one...

Very little talked about it; so I thought I should bump this thread back up.

And just hijacking a bit; I ve got one of those Bamboos Sankiplanaria shafts and will try to write a review the soonest.

Thanks for the feedback Mau.  Just curious, how is the roll at Disco Bay? 
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: mauvanilla on July 03, 2018, 08:20:44 AM
Sorry bringing this back; but I need to share with the forum Bros. My last five rounds with this driver has been nothing short of spectacular!

And if I may emphasize; is not only long but is "forgiving long". One of my buddies who is a scratch golfer hit last week when I was in Bali and said it is indeed a fantastic driver. He thought it was a high-cor "illegal" one...

All of my longest drivers in my home course "Discovery Bay Hong Kong" were achieved with this one...

Very little talked about it; so I thought I should bump this thread back up.

And just hijacking a bit; I ve got one of those Bamboos Sankiplanaria shafts and will try to write a review the soonest.

Thanks for the feedback Mau.  Just curious, how is the roll at Disco Bay?

The golf course is a bit better than last year. The Ruby course opened a couple of months ago which gives a bit more breath for Diamond and Jade. Fairways are alright but far from fantastic while the green is only good at Ruby. For the other two courses the greens are still bad... When compared to the course conditions of Fanling or Clearwater Bay (and even Kau Sai Chau); the greens in DB are a shame.

Two or three weeks ago there was some kind of "parasite" that attacked the fairways and rough; which in my personal opinion was a major failure from the management of the course to spot it. Fortunately it is recovering now.

With all that said; still fun to play  :D

I trust you are based in SG; but if you or any other member of the forum happen to be in HK; give me a shout and we play a round together.
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: wmclarenf1 on July 03, 2018, 09:26:42 AM
Sorry bringing this back; but I need to share with the forum Bros. My last five rounds with this driver has been nothing short of spectacular!

And if I may emphasize; is not only long but is "forgiving long". One of my buddies who is a scratch golfer hit last week when I was in Bali and said it is indeed a fantastic driver. He thought it was a high-cor "illegal" one...

All of my longest drivers in my home course "Discovery Bay Hong Kong" were achieved with this one...

Very little talked about it; so I thought I should bump this thread back up.

And just hijacking a bit; I ve got one of those Bamboos Sankiplanaria shafts and will try to write a review the soonest.

Thanks for the feedback Mau.  Just curious, how is the roll at Disco Bay?

The golf course is a bit better than last year. The Ruby course opened a couple of months ago which gives a bit more breath for Diamond and Jade. Fairways are alright but far from fantastic while the green is only good at Ruby. For the other two courses the greens are still bad... When compared to the course conditions of Fanling or Clearwater Bay (and even Kau Sai Chau); the greens in DB are a shame.

Two or three weeks ago there was some kind of "parasite" that attacked the fairways and rough; which in my personal opinion was a major failure from the management of the course to spot it. Fortunately it is recovering now.

With all that said; still fun to play  :D

I trust you are based in SG; but if you or any other member of the forum happen to be in HK; give me a shout and we play a round together.

I;ve got reciprocal at Disco Bay and Clear water and I;ve played Disco several times.  The reason I ask is from what I can recall, during the "winter" season, the course is rather wet and soggy so I'd imagine no roll.  If you do get roll in those conditions, than indeed, the RS-D has something..

Will definitely buzz you if I;m in HK. Steven is on his way back as well... you should link up with him too. High end equipment ho...
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: mauvanilla on July 03, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Sorry I misunderstood your question. Yes; the Grandista does give  good roll even on wet conditions. I play in the bag a Ryoma and the difference is brutal. I use the Ryoma for more controlled shots which I don't want the ball to roll that much and the Grandista for longer shots.

I know you have (or used to have) the RS-001; which I also used to love and was a keeper; but after the RS-D the RS-001 is now taking dust in the step bag.

If you happen to  visit here you can try the driver yourself. An more than happy to meet Steven too!

Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: wmclarenf1 on July 03, 2018, 09:10:27 PM
Sorry I misunderstood your question. Yes; the Grandista does give  good roll even on wet conditions. I play in the bag a Ryoma and the difference is brutal. I use the Ryoma for more controlled shots which I don't want the ball to roll that much and the Grandista for longer shots.

I know you have (or used to have) the RS-001; which I also used to love and was a keeper; but after the RS-D the RS-001 is now taking dust in the step bag.

If you happen to  visit here you can try the driver yourself. An more than happy to meet Steven too!

Mau, you are evil!  ;D  I'm in the process of trimming driver and shafts... You're encouraging the opposite.
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: wmclarenf1 on July 07, 2018, 08:23:22 AM
Found this sound clip for those interested.. Quite a nice twack..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQXYHZ5uss4
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: nobwas on July 07, 2018, 03:51:47 PM
The sound of the RS-D is close to perfect as I can hope for. 
A nice well behaved  "Thwack"  with just enough metallic sound mixed in.


 
 
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: wmclarenf1 on July 12, 2018, 01:54:26 AM
So I'm getting more interested in the RS-d.  Looking at the pics below, the Isle plate skeleton looks similar to the LS. 

What are the differences?  Crown material, face material, cg placement, face height, size etc?

Thanks
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: ian-500 on July 12, 2018, 03:15:37 AM
New one looks to be draw biased. Love the sole on the older one. Can those carbon plates be swapped out for heavier/lighter ones?
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: nobwas on July 12, 2018, 11:39:20 AM
So I'm getting more interested in the RS-d.  Looking at the pics below, the Isle plate skeleton looks similar to the LS. 

What are the differences?  Crown material, face material, cg placement, face height, size etc?

Thanks

LS-001
Carbon Crown
Carbon Sole plates
9 weight screws
DAT55G face
450cc
CG Distance 43mm
CG Depth 38mm
CG Height 29.5mm


RS-D
All Titanium construction
2 weight screws
SP700 face
445cc
CG Distance 35mm
CG Depth 35mm
CG Height 33mm
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: nobwas on July 12, 2018, 12:03:06 PM
New one looks to be draw biased. Love the sole on the older one. Can those carbon plates be swapped out for heavier/lighter ones?

The carbon plates cannot be replaced.   The 9 little screws are actually weight screws.  there are made with different material for the different weights.
you can offset the weights to change the bias using these 9 screws.   

Grandista's belief based on their feedback from their users and students (CEO Yoshida is a teaching Pro and an Ex Long Drive Champion)
is that amateur players need help in fully capturing the ball at impact.     
Easiest method to achieve this is to make the face closed ...  but we all know this is not desired by most players.
What they did was to keep the face angle square or actually a bit open but to have internal weighting on the heel to make it easier to square the face at impact.   RS-D has two weight screws an 8g and a 2g by default which can further offset the CG to make the head even more easier to square at impact. 
I have my weight set to 8g on the back and 2g on the heel.   Even at this setting, I'm drawing almost 100% of the time.

At first I was a bit worried about this new head being draw biased ... because I actually don't have problems drawing the ball even with my very large 460cc Ping G20.   Initial couple of range sessions showed that indeed RS-D was somewhat draw happy head.   but after switching out the weights to a less draw setting,  it has become a more consistent baby draw.    With the Ping G20 I had occasional misses to the right ( like a block shot ) when my swing went awry.   With the RS-D  no more misses to the right and I am on the fairway more often.   Can't complain about that.

Only warning for those who are planning to try the RS-D is to possibly go 0.5 deg or a full deg higher on the loft than normal.  Loft for loft it seems to go lower than most other heads.    Think JBeam/Crazy 435 in terms of loft vs. trajectory

   
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: db2 on July 12, 2018, 01:01:06 PM
Thereís a lot to be said about improving performance by being able to eliminate one side of the fairway.  I had a 3W that only knew how to fade, even though I hook the ball.  Iím currently in driver search mode and would like to find two drivers: one that wonít miss left and another that wonít miss right.
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: nobwas on July 12, 2018, 01:30:54 PM
This RS-D would be a good candidate for one that eliminates misses to the right.
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: 604_skyline on July 12, 2018, 07:33:48 PM
nobwas,

you probably have the most time with the rs-d, i know you mention the draw bias, but there is the ability to tweak it slightly. do you think it would be possible to set this head up for even the slightest of fade? i am anti left, and prefer to hit a power fade off the tee with a driver even when the shot does not necessarily call for it, so would it be possible to set this head up for at least neutral to slight fade or full fade?

secondly the face angle on these are pretty much square correct? not like a jbeam/crazy 435 where u can get a -2 open head.

finally, what is the face depth like on the rs-d compared to the jbeam/crazy crz-435 i know nothing really compares to the deepness of the baldo 568 competizion or the new blado ttx both in 420cc those are massive deep and really my preference, but...

Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: wmclarenf1 on July 12, 2018, 09:18:29 PM
New one looks to be draw biased. Love the sole on the older one. Can those carbon plates be swapped out for heavier/lighter ones?

The carbon plates cannot be replaced.   The 9 little screws are actually weight screws.  there are made with different material for the different weights.
you can offset the weights to change the bias using these 9 screws.   

Grandista's belief based on their feedback from their users and students (CEO Yoshida is a teaching Pro and an Ex Long Drive Champion)
is that amateur players need help in fully capturing the ball at impact.     
Easiest method to achieve this is to make the face closed ...  but we all know this is not desired by most players.
What they did was to keep the face angle square or actually a bit open but to have internal weighting on the heel to make it easier to square the face at impact.   RS-D has two weight screws an 8g and a 2g by default which can further offset the CG to make the head even more easier to square at impact. 
I have my weight set to 8g on the back and 2g on the heel.   Even at this setting, I'm drawing almost 100% of the time.

At first I was a bit worried about this new head being draw biased ... because I actually don't have problems drawing the ball even with my very large 460cc Ping G20.   Initial couple of range sessions showed that indeed RS-D was somewhat draw happy head.   but after switching out the weights to a less draw setting,  it has become a more consistent baby draw.    With the Ping G20 I had occasional misses to the right ( like a block shot ) when my swing went awry.   With the RS-D  no more misses to the right and I am on the fairway more often.   Can't complain about that.

Only warning for those who are planning to try the RS-D is to possibly go 0.5 deg or a full deg higher on the loft than normal.  Loft for loft it seems to go lower than most other heads.    Think JBeam/Crazy 435 in terms of loft vs. trajectory

 

Good stuff Nob.  Thanks
Title: Re: Grandista RS-D !!!
Post by: nobwas on July 13, 2018, 12:15:03 AM
nobwas,

you probably have the most time with the rs-d, i know you mention the draw bias, but there is the ability to tweak it slightly. do you think it would be possible to set this head up for even the slightest of fade? i am anti left, and prefer to hit a power fade off the tee with a driver even when the shot does not necessarily call for it, so would it be possible to set this head up for at least neutral to slight fade or full fade?

secondly the face angle on these are pretty much square correct? not like a jbeam/crazy 435 where u can get a -2 open head.

finally, what is the face depth like on the rs-d compared to the jbeam/crazy crz-435 i know nothing really compares to the deepness of the baldo 568 competizion or the new blado ttx both in 420cc those are massive deep and really my preference, but...

As I understand the head is already somewhat draw biased by design even without the weight screws.
I donít think fade bias with this driver is a option.   But hey thatís me.  Perhaps others with the right skills can hit fades with this.   

Face height is also semi shallow.  Definitely shallower than the JBeam 435.
I like my driver on the shallow side so it fits my eyes well.

The overall profile kind of reminds me of the P Tune PG 313 for a few years back.  However the RSD feels much more forgiving.