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Title: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: MBBG on January 04, 2017, 10:46:49 PM
http://cmp.callawaygolf.com/epic/

They finally released the info on these today and I have a feeling they will continue to be a big buzz into 2017 season.

I find it particularly interesting that the technology they are touting is exactly the opposite concept of what Ryoma touts in their Maxima heads. (Eliminating crown and sole flex rather than maximizing it).

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 05, 2017, 10:49:39 AM
Just had 4 swings (no warm up) with the sub zero and an Aldila Rogue 60x on trackman. Best feeling Callaway driver ever. A lot softer than I was expecting.

Best hit was 103mph, 265 carry with 282 total. Spin was 2200. That's better than the M1 I was shaft fitted on only a month ago.

The smash factor is insane. Never ever had 1.50 before but had it on 3 out of the 4 swings. Need to warm up next time. A club tech at my builders hit 10 shots before me, all of them at 1.50 except 2 that were 1.51!!

Very good. Gonna have to test it against my ZY-11.

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Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 05, 2017, 11:08:43 AM
Will be interesting to see what it's like, will see if I can hit it next to the Ryoma once I've had that built, also want to give the new TM M2 a hit.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: JanKo on January 05, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
The new M2 performs pretty similar to the old one for me. Sound and feel was Miles better with the 2016 model.

Hope we get our epic demos soon, can't wait to hit it again and order my gamer. ;)
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 05, 2017, 03:55:06 PM
Good to hear the feel is soft.   Rick Shiels video says it feels harder than the previous gen models.

As for smash factor,  apparently my local shop fixes it to 1.45 so that even bad hits go longer on the LM.   It's a sales strategy.
Not saying that's the case you have ... but consistently hitting 1.5 seems a bit too optimistic.

I would say , take your ZY-11 and do a head to head comparo of numbers under the same LM setting.
Then you can tell how each of the drivers perform relative to each other.


Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: JanKo on January 06, 2017, 12:19:42 AM
From the few hit I had with it so far I can confirm the consisten high smash factors. That was on our own launch monitor.
Feel to me was soft, best feeling driver in a while.

Will comment further when I have had more hits... hope the demo arrives soon.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on January 06, 2017, 07:00:11 AM
This is the only USDM driver that has caught my interest in... a while (can't even remember the last time I wanted to have a closer look at any USDM driver). Luckily I am in the market for a new driver  :P
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 06, 2017, 11:06:47 AM
I'm booked in a week on Sunday for a Fitting!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Staxxx on January 07, 2017, 01:21:42 AM
Just had a fitting this morning with the Callaway representative pro. Could not do Trackman numbers as he was busy with lessons but he let me hit it with a couple of shafts.

This head is superb!

It is as long as any of my JDM drivers. It has a dull twack sound but very easy to get used to. Feel is soft and not as hot as some of my JDM drivers.

The best part about it is the very solid feel you get off the face. It just doesn't twist or flex, and goes pretty much wherever the face is pointing with a purpose. Even mishits felt solid. There is no trampoline effect or hot springy face going on. Just solid and powerful. I think this is the main reason I am contemplating getting one. This is distinctly different from most other drivers I have tried in the past.

I tried the standard Epic and it was low spin enough for me. I am pretty sure the Sub-Zero would be very difficult for me to hit although I have an average 100 mph swing speed.

Still need to work on the right shaft I feel to get the most out of this driver. I found the 65 gms Fujikura a better fit for me while the 55 gms HZRDOUS was too low spin and my ball started lower and kept falling out of the sky.

Worth a shot!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on January 07, 2017, 02:35:22 AM
Good to hear the feel is soft.   Rick Shiels video says it feels harder than the previous gen models.

As for smash factor,  apparently my local shop fixes it to 1.45 so that even bad hits go longer on the LM.   It's a sales strategy.
Not saying that's the case you have ... but consistently hitting 1.5 seems a bit too optimistic.

I would say , take your ZY-11 and do a head to head comparo of numbers under the same LM setting.
Then you can tell how each of the drivers perform relative to each other.

GC2 foresight has a 1.45 default for the smash factor because it only measures ball speed and not club head speed.  the 1.45 default is plugged in and allows a swing speed to be estimated......poor hits do not go further, because on a poor hit ball speed will be low and the smash factor is set at 1.45, the swing speed will show up as 85mph even though it was a 100mph swing with poor contact.....distance does not change
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on January 07, 2017, 03:45:21 AM
These are starting to get almost as pricey as JDM drivers. Is this worth it comparing to... let's say a 2016 Ryoma Maxima or JBeam ZY series (implying you got along well with those models)?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 07, 2017, 04:29:04 PM
I wonder if there will be a JDM version or maybe Legacy??
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 12, 2017, 11:46:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqEfHKnyTZ8

Ryo Ishikawa is apparently getting 1.5 m/s more ball speed ... that's 3.3 mph! 
His max ball speed used to be 77 m/s (172.2 mph) 
but just by switching driver he now gets 78.5 m/s  (or 175.5 mph) 
So assuming a perfect smash factor, his swing speed is around 118 mph.

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 12, 2017, 11:51:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqEfHKnyTZ8

Ryo Ishikawa is apparently getting 1.5 m/s more ball speed ... that's 3.3 mph! 
His max ball speed used to be 77 m/s (172.2 mph) 
but just by switching driver he now gets 78.5 m/s  (or 175.5 mph) 
So assuming a perfect smash factor, his swing speed is around 118 mph.

Are you tempted nob?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 12, 2017, 06:09:38 PM
Oh Absolutely.   That "Jailbreak" technology is very convincing and believable. 
I called all the local major shops in the Seattle area last weekend and they will not have a demo for another couple of weeks!!

In the Ishikawa video he has a Sub Zero and also a normal GBB Epic with a bonded hosel ... I guess that one is the GBB Epic Star? 
Since I am not a big fan of adjustable hosels, GBB Epic Star might be the one for me.
Although I am hearing that the Sub Zero with the weight in the back is the most forgiving option...
 
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 15, 2017, 01:19:16 AM
Driving down to Callaway this morning!!

Can't wait..... lol
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 15, 2017, 03:57:13 AM
Driving down to Callaway this morning!!

Can't wait..... lol

Report back when you can. Take some video.....
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 15, 2017, 06:34:59 AM
Driving down to Callaway this morning!!

Can't wait..... lol

Report back when you can. Take some video.....
Enjoy.

Interesting results
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 15, 2017, 08:54:34 AM
Driving down to Callaway this morning!!

Can't wait..... lol

Report back when you can. Take some video.....
Enjoy.

Interesting results

Do tell!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 15, 2017, 12:54:42 PM
Driving down to Callaway this morning!!

Can't wait..... lol

Report back when you can. Take some video.....
Enjoy.

Interesting results

Do tell!

I'm just trying to process the Fitting...( oh and dry out from playing the Brabazon)
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 15, 2017, 03:48:16 PM
Ok here goes...

A golfing buddy and I decided to go have the Epic Fitting down at the Callaway Fitting Centre, located down at the Belfry.

We each had booked a 1 hour Fitting, him going ffirst.

What I will say, is that watching the Pro fit him was eye opening, he as no where near the SWing speed of myself, but after an hour and 20 we saw a Overall increase of 9 mph club Head speed and much much better results..

Happy bunny!!

Btw he ordered the Standard Epic with a 40 gram shaft...


Now it was my turn!

I was asked to hit my Fusion first having spoke to the Pro about my flight and what I would like to achieve.

I must say straight out the traps I just plain Smashed it, or so I thought....
I was asked by the Pro not to pay any attention to the Monitor or even the laptop( I think he'd worked out I was fixed on numbers from My mates numbers!!!)... so I didn't...

After around 10 very nicely struck balls he showed me the average RPM and other important numbers...

Hmmmmm well over 4K rpm!!..... lowing launch and very conservative Distance numbers( worth adding it was a brisk head wind)

He pointed out that I looked as if I was holding back , maybe fighting going left?

All correct!

So time to grip the Epic....

I'd asked to hit the Standard and straight away knew it was spinning to much.

Tried the Sub Zero and after a few Shaft variations, I  had this right in the Wheelhouse... fitters words, not mine!!

At this point he asked me if he could go get me a Different brand to try.... on his return he's handing me the new M1 440 with x Stiff Hzrdus ... Bang ... ripped it!

It's fair to say that the M1 was slightly better fit BUT it felt like siht ... just not for me!

It's fair to say the Epic wasn't as Epic as I had hoped but it did feel fantastic and although I had the only shaft brand I didn't want , we got it "fitted" ...

I think I hit far to many golf balls today, and realised feel plays a big,big part in my mental and physical ability...


Maybe another Tweak Fitting is required???

Take nothing away from the Callaway Epic, its good... it's possible its very Good, but Epic???

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on January 15, 2017, 05:27:48 PM
Good stuff, D. What about the ball speeds? Did you noticed higher ball speeds with the Epic? Or let's say more consistant high smash factors in comparison?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Staxxx on January 15, 2017, 10:35:52 PM
I know Robbie was very enthusiastic about the new M1 and I have also read very good feedback from the new M2.
I am still excited to try my proper fitting for the Epic head next week. Managed to get head only and will try it with a Bangvoo Premium shaft (softest of the lot at aout 240 CPMs), an Egg pull (M-43) and a Fire Express RB-6 SR.  I really liked the feel of the head but the two stock shaft options available here just did not work for me (Fujikura and Hzrdous).
Let's see which one will come out on top.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 16, 2017, 01:03:50 AM
Good stuff, D. What about the ball speeds? Did you noticed higher ball speeds with the Epic? Or let's say more consistant high smash factors in comparison?

S...
Nothing major .
I think the Fitting as put me on the right path, or narrowed it down for me BUT I'd really like to go again and just try "fine Tune" the results.

To much trying this and/or that plays with my brain and I tend to think to much rather than "swing"
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 16, 2017, 09:04:33 AM
Booked another Fitting!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on January 16, 2017, 10:12:26 AM
Good stuff, D. What about the ball speeds? Did you noticed higher ball speeds with the Epic? Or let's say more consistant high smash factors in comparison?

S...
Nothing major .
I think the Fitting as put me on the right path, or narrowed it down for me BUT I'd really like to go again and just try "fine Tune" the results.

To much trying this and/or that plays with my brain and I tend to think to much rather than "swing"

Hmmm... not what I wanted to hear. I wanted to hear something like "incredible ballspeeds even on mishits". I thought I settled to wait until my fitting, but now I'm thinking to buy another driver again. Lol.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 16, 2017, 12:28:22 PM
Shac.....
Don't get me wrong the SZ is fantastic...
The feel is very near Perfect for me as well.
My problem was , as it turns out... not all the "Exotic "( infact none really) shafts had been Delivered so we only had a limited amount to Test.
I've rung Callaway and the Belfry and they have offered another Free Fitting with There Tour Van fitter who as assured me that he will have all of the shaft range Plus some!!!

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: JanKo on January 17, 2017, 04:18:39 AM
I will have the chance to hit the Epic and Sub Zero again tomorrow. Will put some adapters on shafts that I have laying around so I can test at least something different than the stock shafts.

Iīm excited if it can confirm the first very positive impressions I got.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on January 17, 2017, 06:36:48 AM
I will have the chance to hit the Epic and Sub Zero again tomorrow. Will put some adapters on shafts that I have laying around so I can test at least something different than the stock shafts.

Iīm excited if it can confirm the first very positive impressions I got.

Would be good to have some numbers comparing it to other drivers on the same day to give a baseline.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 18, 2017, 10:34:44 AM
Looks like the Epic has been introduced in the Japan Market as well.

http://www.callawaygolf.jp/special/gbb_epic/

Two models :   GBB Epic Star & GBB Sub Zero

"Star" model features a bonded hosel but the same sliding weight as the US model GBB Epic
Some of their standard shaft offering are pretty nice.

GBB Star :
 Fuji Evo III 569
 GD TP-5
 Fubuki V50

Sub Zero : 
 Fuji Evo III 661
 GD TP-6
 Diamana BF60


They also have a "Star" version of the FW as well.



Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on January 18, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
Looks like the Epic has been introduced in the Japan Market as well.

http://www.callawaygolf.jp/special/gbb_epic/

Two models :   GBB Epic Star & GBB Sub Zero

"Star" model features a bonded hosel but the same sliding weight as the US model GBB Epic
Some of their standard shaft offering are pretty nice.

GBB Star :
 Fuji Evo III 569
 GD TP-5
 Fubuki V50

Sub Zero : 
 Fuji Evo III 661
 GD TP-6
 Diamana BF60


They also have a "Star" version of the FW as well.

Is it really the EvoIII? Can't read Japanese but saw some ads saying Fuji Evo for GBB Epic and its green. TP6 on the other hand is nice. Would like to try that shaft as well.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 18, 2017, 03:56:00 PM
Very tempting
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on January 18, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Went to the range today after work (it's around -3*C here at the moment, not a chance to play) and saw the Epic (only standard) in the fitting cart. I asked if I could have a dabble with it. The club builder gave me a 10.5* head and adjusted it to -1 and N. I assume that means 9.5* neutral setting. Shaft was a Fuji Speeder 665 stiff (I think it is a made for shaft, felt ok though).
Looks wise I am torn. When picking up the club it looks great. Shelf appeal is definitely there. But when addressing the ball, the crown is a bit to busy for my taste. Prefer a clean look. The face looks quite small actually. Even though it is 460 it does look more like a player's club imo. Not overly confidence inspiring.
I started hitting the club and the feel is wonderful. Really liked it. Duller  sound and it has a heft to it. Very solid but explosive at the same time if it makes any sense. Trajectory was not too high from the few shots I hit. Liked what I could see from the ball flight. I won't comment on distance as i was hitting at an illuminated range and you can't really see the last third of the ball flight. Wasn't hitting particularly well (never do actually when wearing 6 layers of clothes to keep me warm.lol). Shaft was also probably about 3/4 inches longer than what i usually play. I did grip down but i hate doing that because it makes the me feel the grip is weird. Didn't think it was any straighter than any other driver.
All in all I was fairly pleased and see that it could be a good driver. Game changer? ... Probably not.
But will hit it again when it gets a bit warmer. 
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 18, 2017, 07:10:36 PM
Thanks for the nice write up! 



Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 18, 2017, 07:12:48 PM
Looks like the Epic has been introduced in the Japan Market as well.

http://www.callawaygolf.jp/special/gbb_epic/

Two models :   GBB Epic Star & GBB Sub Zero

"Star" model features a bonded hosel but the same sliding weight as the US model GBB Epic
Some of their standard shaft offering are pretty nice.

GBB Star :
 Fuji Evo III 569
 GD TP-5
 Fubuki V50

Sub Zero : 
 Fuji Evo III 661
 GD TP-6
 Diamana BF60


They also have a "Star" version of the FW as well.

Is it really the EvoIII? Can't read Japanese but saw some ads saying Fuji Evo for GBB Epic and its green. TP6 on the other hand is nice. Would like to try that shaft as well.

http://callawaygolf.jp/mens-clubs/drivers/2017_gbb_epic_sub_zero_dr.html

"Speeder Evo for GBB"  (made for ) and "Evo III 661"   are both listed.   so I am assuming the latter is the real deal.




 

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 20, 2017, 05:13:55 AM
Just hit the Epic against the Fusion with a Fuji Pro 61 x. Epic was better in every way except looks, but.......I then hit the King LTD black and HZRDUS black 6.5 and it was awesome in every way except that the Epic beat it for distance. I'd take the Cobra over the Epic. Looks fantastic murdered out 😱
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 20, 2017, 07:26:33 AM
Whereabouts have you been trying all of these Ian?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Golfbaka on January 20, 2017, 07:44:31 AM
Just hit the Epic against the Fusion with a Fuji Pro 61 x. Epic was better in every way except looks, but.......I then hit the King LTD black and HZRDUS black 6.5 and it was awesome in every way except that the Epic beat it for distance. I'd take the Cobra over the Epic. Looks fantastic murdered out 😱

Just visited my local golf shop to have a look at the Epic - yep that is one ugly stick - she'd better perform pretty well!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 20, 2017, 07:54:19 AM
Whereabouts have you been trying all of these Ian?

Today was a local American Golf shop in Basingstoke. All my other exploits are at Golf Principles in Basingstoke, and this is where I have nearly all my clubs built or any fittings carried out. I was very surprised that American Golf had any  x flex shafts on demo.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 20, 2017, 12:54:11 PM
Epic part 2:

So I went to another Fitting today, for the Epic SZ.
 
After the near farcical efforts at the Belfry I had my doubts BUT to my surprise this Shop had many more shafts to try, admittedly they did have any of the Top End stuff .... but after plenty of trying I've found one the fits, and the results Shocked me.

With my Fusion I was getting around 265yrds... but again it showed the very high back spin.

Now with the Epic SZ paired with.........



75gram Xflex Aldila Max I was seeing much better results... anything around 280/290 yards
Club head was around my 104/106 mark

Spin was fantastic feel was not at all "Boardy", oh I bought match 3 wood with a 75 gram S flex shaft
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 20, 2017, 03:18:28 PM
Nice review Dale, I'm tempted to try it out shortly to see how it goes against the Ryoma, might try and get one when I'm in the US, guessing it will be cheaper.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 20, 2017, 03:33:28 PM
Nice review Dale, I'm tempted to try it out shortly to see how it goes against the Ryoma, might try and get one when I'm in the US, guessing it will be cheaper.

Definitely worth a good serious look
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 20, 2017, 03:50:46 PM
I'm seriously impressed with the Ryoma though, I'm not sure if it's because I have a 'proper' shaft in over what was in the 915.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 20, 2017, 03:56:07 PM
I'm seriously impressed with the Ryoma though, I'm not sure if it's because I have a 'proper' shaft in over what was in the 915.

Then I'd keep it!
I've had a few Drivers, some good... some not so good for me,BUT this Epic does feel Solid... feels good, which gives me more confidence... I also think it's helped getting a few fittings
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 22, 2017, 02:53:24 AM
Hoping to pop to American Golf in Oxford today and have a hit with the Epic/M2/Cobra ltd black/JPX900 and see what the numbers are.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 22, 2017, 03:51:33 AM
Hoping to pop to American Golf in Oxford today and have a hit with the Epic/M2/Cobra ltd black/JPX900 and see what the numbers are.

Can you let me know what x flex shafts they have on demo for the LTD please.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 22, 2017, 06:14:20 AM
Hoping to pop to American Golf in Oxford today and have a hit with the Epic/M2/Cobra ltd black/JPX900 and see what the numbers are.

Can you let me know what x flex shafts they have on demo for the LTD please.


Seems you liked that club
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 22, 2017, 06:27:01 AM
Hoping to pop to American Golf in Oxford today and have a hit with the Epic/M2/Cobra ltd black/JPX900 and see what the numbers are.

Can you let me know what x flex shafts they have on demo for the LTD please.

Seems you liked that club

I did. Felt a bit like a Yamaha.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 22, 2017, 06:43:10 AM
So I tried out the Epic/M2/Cobra Black LTD, also warmed up hitting a fair few with the Ryoma (which I love and isn't going anywhere, I was getting good distance, around 283 average and relatively low launch which is nice)

I tried a variety of project X and Hazardous S and XS, they didn't have any of the more exotic shafts. I also left everything on neutral on all the clubs as I'm not a fan of messing around, it's my fault not the club!

With all 4 drivers there wasn't much in it for distance, between 275-290, spin was higher on the Epic over both the others, looks wise the M2 looks bloody massive!! The Epic looks rather nice, and the Cobra is nice and understated.
Feel wise the Epic feels very dull off the face as does the M2, I was slightly underwhelmed with both if I'm honest, the Cobra was much more like the Ryoma and you can feel the ball launch off the face.

Overall it was very close between the Epic and the M2, but a clear winner for me in both feel, distance and dispersion was the Cobra.... Also I was offered a whopping Ģ220 trade in for my Scotty so of course I bought one!! Helps that it was also Ģ80 cheaper than both the others and in my mind clearly the best club of the 3 for me.

It will be interesting to see how they both play on course, I hit 2 or 3 balls 290 dead straight with the Cobra bearing in mind that's with a range ball and its -1 Celsius here today!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 22, 2017, 06:44:14 AM
I went for the Project X Hzrdus Black for the shaft, seemed to perform very very similarly to the Project X 6.5LZ Prototype in the Ryoma.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 22, 2017, 07:40:32 AM
Nice results...

On the Trade in front I got Ģ245 for my used Fusion!!

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 22, 2017, 07:45:12 AM
Nice results...

On the Trade in front I got Ģ245 for my used Fusion!!

It's crazy isn't it! The guy was saying that a lot of companies are especially annoyed as they just want to dominate the market by offering such high trade in prices.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 22, 2017, 07:51:24 AM
Nice results...

On the Trade in front I got Ģ245 for my used Fusion!!

It's crazy isn't it! The guy was saying that a lot of companies are especially annoyed as they just want to dominate the market by offering such high trade in prices.

He gave me Ģ133 for the 3 wood!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 22, 2017, 07:51:44 AM
Roll on Friday!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 22, 2017, 07:55:49 AM
Roll on Friday!
Indeed, now I need to decide which driver to take to the US!

I've just been reading some reviews on the the Cobra and it seems very well received, I highly recommend having some time with it before going straight for the Epic.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 22, 2017, 08:43:11 AM
Roll on Friday!
Indeed, now I need to decide which driver to take to the US!

I've just been reading some reviews on the the Cobra and it seems very well received, I highly recommend having some time with it before going straight for the Epic.

Unfortunately I've purchased both Epic SZ Driver and 3 wood!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 22, 2017, 08:52:33 AM
Roll on Friday!
Indeed, now I need to decide which driver to take to the US!

I've just been reading some reviews on the the Cobra and it seems very well received, I highly recommend having some time with it before going straight for the Epic.

Unfortunately I've purchased both Epic SZ Driver and 3 wood!!

Nothing unfortunate about that, it just wasn't for me even though I got some good numbers with it.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 22, 2017, 11:22:23 AM
Great info their ditch. Did you get that trade deal at American Golf?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 22, 2017, 11:44:51 AM
Great info their ditch. Did you get that trade deal at American Golf?

Indeed I did, they are doing double the value on all trade ins currently. Thanks for the recommend on the Cobra, doubt I would have tried/considered it otherwise!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 22, 2017, 12:03:57 PM
Great info their ditch. Did you get that trade deal at American Golf?

Indeed I did, they are doing double the value on all trade ins currently. Thanks for the recommend on the Cobra, doubt I would have tried/considered it otherwise!

Did you see what other x flex shafts they had on demo?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 22, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
And when is the LTD black released?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 22, 2017, 12:11:01 PM
And when is the LTD black released?

That's what I hit today, gets released on the 27th Jan so mine is on order. In terms of shafts I think they had the adilas too, give them a call and ask for Lorcan, he was my fitter today and a really nice, helpful young guy.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 22, 2017, 12:54:16 PM
And when is the LTD black released?

That's what I hit today, gets released on the 27th Jan so mine is on order. In terms of shafts I think they had the adilas too, give them a call and ask for Lorcan, he was my fitter today and a really nice, helpful young guy.

Same shafts as me then. they have other no uncharge x flex charge shafts such as the Elements Chrome, but I'd like to hit it first.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 22, 2017, 02:25:10 PM
And when is the LTD black released?

That's what I hit today, gets released on the 27th Jan so mine is on order. In terms of shafts I think they had the adilas too, give them a call and ask for Lorcan, he was my fitter today and a really nice, helpful young guy.

Same shafts as me then. they have other no uncharge x flex charge shafts such as the Elements Chrome, but I'd like to hit it first.

There is a pretty exhaustive list of shafts on their order form on the iPad, I guess your best bet would be to call Cobra UK and ask where a fitting centre is with lots of shafts, I was pretty happy as I've got pretty much an identical shaft to what is in the Ryoma.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 22, 2017, 02:58:14 PM
And when is the LTD black released?

That's what I hit today, gets released on the 27th Jan so mine is on order. In terms of shafts I think they had the adilas too, give them a call and ask for Lorcan, he was my fitter today and a really nice, helpful young guy.

Did you get the connect device too?

Same shafts as me then. they have other no uncharge x flex charge shafts such as the Elements Chrome, but I'd like to hit it first.

There is a pretty exhaustive list of shafts on their order form on the iPad, I guess your best bet would be to call Cobra UK and ask where a fitting centre is with lots of shafts, I was pretty happy as I've got pretty much an identical shaft to what is in the Ryoma.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on January 22, 2017, 03:20:30 PM
Is the LTD black the same as the standard LTD only in Black? Or is there any technical difference.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 22, 2017, 03:30:53 PM
Is the LTD black the same as the standard LTD only in Black? Or is there any technical difference.

Same.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 22, 2017, 03:31:25 PM
Is the LTD black the same as the standard LTD only in Black? Or is there any technical difference.

Same.

But Different?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 22, 2017, 03:40:50 PM
No difference apart from being a lovely matte black. There is a pro version, but that's the regular colour of black and orange.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on January 24, 2017, 02:30:22 PM
Wow, i went and hit the Callaway epic and SZ, i liked them but not enough to replace my 2017 M1 or 2017 M2.  The Callaways were very good but not enough to make me switch.  However later that evening i was at the indoor driving range that uses GC2 and i spotted a beat up Cobra King LTD demo club with a Rogus 95 MSi, i looked at it and thought it looked cheap.....weight was too light and the driver resembled a Walmart special....i whacked that driver and it felt awesome, somehow the head wanted to accelerate into the ball.  I look at the screen, stock shaft on crappy head, i figured it carried 220 and rolled to 230 with a 3500 back spin......NOPE !!!!!  it was 247 carry and 279 overall.....i hit a few more and got the same results, not to mention the club felt just divine......it just felt soft and powerful......after about 150 swings, the club was superb, dispersion was super tight and my avg carry was 245 and distance was 278.  i hit a few crappy drives but my avg good drive went 256 carry and 284 overall, spin was below 2000.  these are pretty good numbers for me...i normally carry about 245 and get 272 on a good hit......Im planning to go in later today and buy the beatup demo.....haha i might even keep the crappy grip.  But i also ordered a few new Cobra drivers with various shafts because i can't believe that a demo with a stock stiff shaft is perfect for me ?????  my 7d shaft alone will buy 10 new cobra drivers and my tour M1 should be able to buy a couple more......i basically have a driver that i am using that costs 12X more than a Brand new Cobra LTD and performs worse.  On top of distance and feel, the dispersion was so tight !!!!  Going to take the demo out to the OC on Friday and see if it can perform, i suspect this driver might just be a simulator king, i refuse to believe a club can be that good !!!!!! 
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: MBBG on January 24, 2017, 03:15:15 PM
The LTD is an excellent driver and I'm also no stranger to seeing cheapo USDM drivers seriously outperform super expensive JDM drivers.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on January 24, 2017, 03:19:09 PM
Another Cobra convert! Will have to see if the Ryoma stays if it plays well on course!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 24, 2017, 05:02:38 PM
Cobra King LTD Black does look good.
I might have to try that one again. 
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 24, 2017, 05:11:41 PM
Went for another session on flightscope this afternoon. About 6 shots each. Nothing too scientific....Clubs hit were;

Epic with Fujikura Pro 63x, 153.1 ball speed, 2709 spin, 278yds total(289 longest).
M1 2017 440cc with KK dual core 60s, 150 ball speed, 2615 spin, 274yds total(282 longest).
Cobra King LTD with HZRDUS Black 6.5, 149.6 ball speed, 2849 spin, 269yds total (276 longest).
a used Nike Vapor Pro with Diamana s60+ x, 149.1 ball speed, 3002 spin, 260yds total (273 longest).
and my TS 905 with Fubuki j70x, 145.9 ball speed, 2095 spin, 266yds total (274 longest).

Taking dispersion in to account I would have the Epic over the M1. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed hitting the M1. It felt better than expected.......but not as good as the LTD, which is lovely to hit, just doesn't give me my best numbers. Have to try the pro version. Liked the size and shape of the Nike, but it didn't beat my ts, and don't forget that the TS is built at 44", 1" to 1 and 1/2" shorter than the others.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on January 24, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
great session Ian but is there any way to get those spin numbers down ????  I have about the same ball speed as u 148-153 avg and i keep my spin under 2000 and my carry numbers and total are a bit longer.  Best i have seen this year is 270 carry and 296 overall at 155 BS 1800 spin
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: hardboiled on January 24, 2017, 08:27:19 PM
great session Ian but is there any way to get those spin numbers down ????  I have about the same ball speed as u 148-153 avg and i keep my spin under 2000 and my carry numbers and total are a bit longer.  Best i have seen this year is 270 carry and 296 overall at 155 BS 1800 spin

How would this relate to real world conditions?
Depending on your ball speed, but wouldn't sub 2k spin equate to knuckleballs?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on January 25, 2017, 12:25:18 AM
No i have found on trackman that even a 1500 backspin will carry forever if you have relatively low sidespin and a good launch angle......If you have a ton of draw spin and a lower launch angle, it will be a screaming knuckleball without much carry....my best hits are at 1600 and above for maximum carry and distance but i have a higher launch angle......my mistake is when i have too much side spin in addition to low backspin......In real world conditions, a 150 ball speed with 1800 spin will carry about 255-260 and roll is dependent on the pitch of the ground and the firmness.  If the ground is hard and u hit a speed slot, roll can be up to 60 yards but if you hit a soft spot or a uphill transition, roll can be as little as 0-5 yards. 
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 25, 2017, 01:39:11 AM
I had similar experiences with slowish spin numbers on my fit....
1800-1900 still gave really good carry but lots of Roll out...
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on January 25, 2017, 03:07:36 AM
I guess you will need to launch high enough to get decent carry numbers with such low spin.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 25, 2017, 03:14:56 AM
But i also ordered a few new Cobra drivers with various shafts

I love this. Just rock up and splash the cash. Awesome :)

Robbie, have you hit the new Mizuno JPX 900 driver yet?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on January 25, 2017, 10:18:20 AM
Yes, i have tried the Mizuno, i actually like the funky colors, that driver just looks horrible in terms of color scheme but i like it......way too many adjustments for me.....i have several friends who swear by that club and they pound the crap out of it......However it does not work for me, there are several clubs that i have seen work for a lot of people and not for me......i think it depends on your ball speed and angle of attack as well as how much of a center hit you can repeat consistently.   The longest driver for a crappy swing with not much swing speed is the Cobra LTD......it reminds me ozone of the earlyl Epon driver ( techinity 460 ) but lower spin by about 1500 and tighten dispersion.

Im not getting any magical distances, I'm just getting my best hits with average swings.....my average carry and average overall distance has increased greatly and it seems all my distances are within 10 yards of each other and all my balls land on the simulator fairway.  However this is indoor golf and I'm not sure how it will perform outdoors.  I know the driver looks like crap but sounds and feels great and travels really well. 
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on January 25, 2017, 10:28:00 AM
I guess you will need to launch high enough to get decent carry numbers with such low spin.

On the Simulator i get launch angles of 15-18* which seems too high for golf compared to other peoples launch......i will have better numbers and trackman outdoor data in a week or so once the ground dries from the storm.  I do know i hit a high ball and last time i was on trackman outdoors with my 2017 M1 460, my launch was 18* and i had spins as low as 1500 carry up to 270 which was verified by trackman and laser. My height was 40-44 yards.  My swing speed is modest and i tend to hit a draw....Whwn i put a draw spin and low spin on the ball, it fails horribly.  A sidespin of - 800 and backspin of 1100 results in a carry of 180 yards and then it is offline by 80 yards.  Basically a screaming knuckle ball which will run into a hazard or OB with zero chance of being playable.

* I am a "older" golfer so my averages vary depending on which old man ailments i wake up with......the Cobra King LTD worked spectacular when i was having my old hurt swing with no legs.....basically stiff and tired and sore so less rotation followed by a sway and then a lunge.  Most drivers will punish me into quitting the game but the King LTD rewarded me like i was Superman.  I feel better today and will be testing again this afternoon.  I don't want to waste too much energy though, I'm playing against King Kong and Iron Byron on Friday.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: magpies on January 25, 2017, 03:42:24 PM
Tried the Callaway Epic and Epic subzero today. I am currently using Ping G with stock shaft and carry around 210-220 yards with 140 ball speed. Too much spin at 3000-3500. Tried the epic subzero today and carry 241 yards with 2200 spin. Amazing stuff. I never though a high handicapper like me would suit sub zero. But the sub zero is really forgiving.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 25, 2017, 04:44:37 PM
Would you say the Sub Zero is more forgiving than your Ping G? 

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: magpies on January 25, 2017, 04:51:32 PM
Would you say the Sub Zero is more forgiving than your Ping G?

Hey nob, i didn't believe it at first but yeah.... i would say it is as forgiving as ping g. Mishit and bad shots are due to swing. I was testing on GC2 launch monitor and frequently rotating between the Epic/Epic Sub zero and Ping G. Shaft on Epic and Epic sub zero is stock fujikura pro 63g Regular and ping G is the Alta 55 stiff. Ball speed is 140 and my swing speed is around 96-98. The Epic Sub zero feels slightly more forgiving than the normal Epic as mishit goes equal distance.

I came home did my research and found out the MOI for Ping G is 5400+ whereas the Epic is 8000 and the Epic sub zero is 8500!!! So that made sense. I am going to America Golf and try it on trackman. I need to see the numbers and the ball flight at least on the range to commit to it. Ping G has been short but an ultimate fairway finder for me.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 25, 2017, 08:15:53 PM
Those MOI numbers are not apple to apple comparison.

I believe those 8000+ numbers are total MOI ( horizontal and vertical combined. )   for the Epic

But the 5400 for the Ping G is the vertical MOI only.

There is a conforming limit of 5900  g cm2 defined by R and A  for the vertical axis MOI. 

***
Moment of Inertia (MOI) Limit:
When the club is in a 60 degree lie angle, the moment of inertia component around the vertical axis through the clubhead's center of gravity must not exceed 5900 g cm2 (32.359 oz in2), plus a
***

It would be interesting to see what the Vertical MOI alone is for the Epic.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: magpies on January 26, 2017, 07:28:23 AM
Those MOI numbers are not apple to apple comparison.

I believe those 8000+ numbers are total MOI ( horizontal and vertical combined. )   for the Epic

But the 5400 for the Ping G is the vertical MOI only.

There is a conforming limit of 5900  g cm2 defined by R and A  for the vertical axis MOI. 

***
Moment of Inertia (MOI) Limit:
When the club is in a 60 degree lie angle, the moment of inertia component around the vertical axis through the clubhead's center of gravity must not exceed 5900 g cm2 (32.359 oz in2), plus a
***

It would be interesting to see what the Vertical MOI alone is for the Epic.

Ok mate. Didnt know about that. Anyways it's a great driver. You should definitely try it.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 26, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
I've been hitting my friends Epic all evening...

STD Version
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on January 26, 2017, 02:10:23 PM
How did it fly mate?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on January 26, 2017, 02:21:19 PM
How did it fly mate?

I hit this a little higher than I'd like.... hence I went for the SZ.

Feel is stunning, a very Solid BUT soft feeling ... in my mind, you can almost feel the bars behind the face.
Roll on tomorrow when mine arrives
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on January 27, 2017, 07:35:36 AM
https://youtu.be/bGG_t625Boc

I like his comment on numbers and course testing.   The sub zero hits here is a couple of weeks.   Seeing how the M1 440 has gone,  I'm keen to try this although Im not a cally fan.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Staxxx on January 27, 2017, 09:44:05 AM
Tomorrow's our official Epic Demo day in Bangalore, although they have been available to try for a couple of weeks.
I am looking forward to trying the SZ head. The Star is not available here.
I bought two separate adapters and will put them on my Bangvoo Gold and FE RB-6 shafts. I also bought a Tour AD DI-6 with a fitted adapter which I hope will be with me next week to try with this head. Really excited to see what numbers I can generate with these and the two stock shafts (Speeder and Hazrdus) available here.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 28, 2017, 11:40:57 PM
Got to try both Epics today!

Unfortunately,  it was getting dark outside so I could not track the flight of the ball to well.

I did compare ball speeds and smash factors on my Yupitel with the Grandista / 7D driver I brought with me.
No doubt,  I was getting slightly higher smash factor on the Epic drivers.     
Also agree with other reviewers that the feel off the face was exceptionally soft.   very nice!

I will say with a certain amount of confidence that the Grandista head looked better at address and was definitely more forgiving than the Epic.
could have been due to the shaft that I am more used to. 

Epic, overall is a nice package of a driver.     I did not like the green graphics on the head which made the head look more triangular like the Fusion.
and it made the head look slightly smaller.     Would I go pay 500 bucks for it?   Probably not.   
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on January 29, 2017, 07:02:24 AM
nob,

how will you describe trajectory and spin in the same loft compared the grandista RS-001 and there jdm drivers?  2017 M1 440?

Thanks
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 29, 2017, 10:33:27 PM
Unfortunately it was just too dark to tell where the balls were landing. 
Will try to go to another session .. maybe on a launch monitor this time.

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 31, 2017, 10:02:53 AM
I am starting to see new Epic owners at my local driving range.

A guy last night was hitting his Epic two stalls away from me.   
Nothing against him personally .. but his balls were flying left and right, low, high .. I could see his frustration with his new driver.
Meanwhile,  I was hitting my Grandista straight (and fairly long) with perfect trajectory! ..  just an awesome head!!     
It sure made me feel good about it!    WooHoo!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on January 31, 2017, 10:16:30 AM
I am starting to see new Epic owners at my local driving range.

A guy last night was hitting his Epic two stalls away from me.   
Nothing against him personally .. but his balls were flying left and right, low, high .. I could see his frustration with his new driver.
Meanwhile,  I was hitting my Grandista straight (and fairly long) with perfect trajectory! ..  just an awesome head!!     
It sure made me feel good about it!    WooHoo!

Yep, that extra yardage that some of us look for is quite elusive.  Some of us are looking for that ball that runs forever once it hits the ground, unfortunately the misses on a low spinning drive are wild blocks and low hooks.  If u are swinging at a certain speed, it is ok to sacrifice 10-15 yards to find the middle of the fairway.  I can absolutely crush my most perfect drive about 300 yards but using that swing, ill find the fairway about 4/14 and probably only drive the longest one 285-290 and there will be 2-3 that are OB or in the Hazard.  However if i take a safe swing which maxes out at 275-280, i can find the fairway about 10/14 and my avg drive will be 250-260 with a long one being 280.  I had the perfect driver in the Epon AF105 and i gave it up because i wanted more roll, the carry was perfect.  If i didn't find the Cobra King LTD, i would still be suffering.  For a long drive contest on the simulator, i would use a TM M1 440 or a Callaway SZ driver but to keep it on the course, its either my Cobra King LTD or a 2017 M2.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 31, 2017, 03:11:52 PM
I am starting to see new Epic owners at my local driving range.

A guy last night was hitting his Epic two stalls away from me.   
Nothing against him personally .. but his balls were flying left and right, low, high .. I could see his frustration with his new driver.
Meanwhile,  I was hitting my Grandista straight (and fairly long) with perfect trajectory! ..  just an awesome head!!     
It sure made me feel good about it!    WooHoo!

Yep, that extra yardage that some of us look for is quite elusive.  Some of us are looking for that ball that runs forever once it hits the ground, unfortunately the misses on a low spinning drive are wild blocks and low hooks.  If u are swinging at a certain speed, it is ok to sacrifice 10-15 yards to find the middle of the fairway.  I can absolutely crush my most perfect drive about 300 yards but using that swing, ill find the fairway about 4/14 and probably only drive the longest one 285-290 and there will be 2-3 that are OB or in the Hazard.  However if i take a safe swing which maxes out at 275-280, i can find the fairway about 10/14 and my avg drive will be 250-260 with a long one being 280.  I had the perfect driver in the Epon AF105 and i gave it up because i wanted more roll, the carry was perfect.  If i didn't find the Cobra King LTD, i would still be suffering.  For a long drive contest on the simulator, i would use a TM M1 440 or a Callaway SZ driver but to keep it on the course, its either my Cobra King LTD or a 2017 M2.

Everyone wants more distance.. yes...  but for consistent scoring,  you just can't have those wild drives.
I choose forgiveness over distance.     When I know that I have maximum forgiveness in a club,  I can swing harder without too much worry.
As a result,  I think I get more distance on average.

To me,  Epic or the M1 and M2 (previous models)  were just not that forgiving.

Out of all current USDM I have tried,  Cobra King LTD and Ping G are two drivers that I think are very forgiving and easy to hit hard & straight. 
From JDM,  Epon AF-153 and Grandista LS-001 have been very forgiving for me.    I think there are other JDM that are as forgiving but I have not had the chance to try them. ( Labospec 358,  Modart MA01D+R are two that fall in the same head shape category )
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: magpies on January 31, 2017, 06:11:00 PM
I am starting to see new Epic owners at my local driving range.

A guy last night was hitting his Epic two stalls away from me.   
Nothing against him personally .. but his balls were flying left and right, low, high .. I could see his frustration with his new driver.
Meanwhile,  I was hitting my Grandista straight (and fairly long) with perfect trajectory! ..  just an awesome head!!     
It sure made me feel good about it!    WooHoo!

Yep, that extra yardage that some of us look for is quite elusive.  Some of us are looking for that ball that runs forever once it hits the ground, unfortunately the misses on a low spinning drive are wild blocks and low hooks.  If u are swinging at a certain speed, it is ok to sacrifice 10-15 yards to find the middle of the fairway.  I can absolutely crush my most perfect drive about 300 yards but using that swing, ill find the fairway about 4/14 and probably only drive the longest one 285-290 and there will be 2-3 that are OB or in the Hazard.  However if i take a safe swing which maxes out at 275-280, i can find the fairway about 10/14 and my avg drive will be 250-260 with a long one being 280.  I had the perfect driver in the Epon AF105 and i gave it up because i wanted more roll, the carry was perfect.  If i didn't find the Cobra King LTD, i would still be suffering.  For a long drive contest on the simulator, i would use a TM M1 440 or a Callaway SZ driver but to keep it on the course, its either my Cobra King LTD or a 2017 M2.

Everyone wants more distance.. yes...  but for consistent scoring,  you just can't have those wild drives.
I choose forgiveness over distance.     When I know that I have maximum forgiveness in a club,  I can swing harder without too much worry.
As a result,  I think I get more distance on average.

To me,  Epic or the M1 and M2 (previous models)  were just not that forgiving.

Out of all current USDM I have tried,  Cobra King LTD and Ping G are two drivers that I think are very forgiving and easy to hit hard & straight. 
From JDM,  Epon AF-153 and Grandista LS-001 have been very forgiving for me.    I think there are other JDM that are as forgiving but I have not had the chance to try them. ( Labospec 358,  Modart MA01D+R are two that fall in the same head shape category )

is the grandista as forgiving as ping g?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on January 31, 2017, 06:50:35 PM
I am starting to see new Epic owners at my local driving range.

A guy last night was hitting his Epic two stalls away from me.   
Nothing against him personally .. but his balls were flying left and right, low, high .. I could see his frustration with his new driver.
Meanwhile,  I was hitting my Grandista straight (and fairly long) with perfect trajectory! ..  just an awesome head!!     
It sure made me feel good about it!    WooHoo!

Yep, that extra yardage that some of us look for is quite elusive.  Some of us are looking for that ball that runs forever once it hits the ground, unfortunately the misses on a low spinning drive are wild blocks and low hooks.  If u are swinging at a certain speed, it is ok to sacrifice 10-15 yards to find the middle of the fairway.  I can absolutely crush my most perfect drive about 300 yards but using that swing, ill find the fairway about 4/14 and probably only drive the longest one 285-290 and there will be 2-3 that are OB or in the Hazard.  However if i take a safe swing which maxes out at 275-280, i can find the fairway about 10/14 and my avg drive will be 250-260 with a long one being 280.  I had the perfect driver in the Epon AF105 and i gave it up because i wanted more roll, the carry was perfect.  If i didn't find the Cobra King LTD, i would still be suffering.  For a long drive contest on the simulator, i would use a TM M1 440 or a Callaway SZ driver but to keep it on the course, its either my Cobra King LTD or a 2017 M2.

Everyone wants more distance.. yes...  but for consistent scoring,  you just can't have those wild drives.
I choose forgiveness over distance.     When I know that I have maximum forgiveness in a club,  I can swing harder without too much worry.
As a result,  I think I get more distance on average.

To me,  Epic or the M1 and M2 (previous models)  were just not that forgiving.

Out of all current USDM I have tried,  Cobra King LTD and Ping G are two drivers that I think are very forgiving and easy to hit hard & straight. 
From JDM,  Epon AF-153 and Grandista LS-001 have been very forgiving for me.    I think there are other JDM that are as forgiving but I have not had the chance to try them. ( Labospec 358,  Modart MA01D+R are two that fall in the same head shape category )

I agree which is why I bag the Cobra King LTD
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on January 31, 2017, 07:35:20 PM
I am starting to see new Epic owners at my local driving range.

A guy last night was hitting his Epic two stalls away from me.   
Nothing against him personally .. but his balls were flying left and right, low, high .. I could see his frustration with his new driver.
Meanwhile,  I was hitting my Grandista straight (and fairly long) with perfect trajectory! ..  just an awesome head!!     
It sure made me feel good about it!    WooHoo!

Yep, that extra yardage that some of us look for is quite elusive.  Some of us are looking for that ball that runs forever once it hits the ground, unfortunately the misses on a low spinning drive are wild blocks and low hooks.  If u are swinging at a certain speed, it is ok to sacrifice 10-15 yards to find the middle of the fairway.  I can absolutely crush my most perfect drive about 300 yards but using that swing, ill find the fairway about 4/14 and probably only drive the longest one 285-290 and there will be 2-3 that are OB or in the Hazard.  However if i take a safe swing which maxes out at 275-280, i can find the fairway about 10/14 and my avg drive will be 250-260 with a long one being 280.  I had the perfect driver in the Epon AF105 and i gave it up because i wanted more roll, the carry was perfect.  If i didn't find the Cobra King LTD, i would still be suffering.  For a long drive contest on the simulator, i would use a TM M1 440 or a Callaway SZ driver but to keep it on the course, its either my Cobra King LTD or a 2017 M2.

Everyone wants more distance.. yes...  but for consistent scoring,  you just can't have those wild drives.
I choose forgiveness over distance.     When I know that I have maximum forgiveness in a club,  I can swing harder without too much worry.
As a result,  I think I get more distance on average.

To me,  Epic or the M1 and M2 (previous models)  were just not that forgiving.

Out of all current USDM I have tried,  Cobra King LTD and Ping G are two drivers that I think are very forgiving and easy to hit hard & straight. 
From JDM,  Epon AF-153 and Grandista LS-001 have been very forgiving for me.    I think there are other JDM that are as forgiving but I have not had the chance to try them. ( Labospec 358,  Modart MA01D+R are two that fall in the same head shape category )

is the grandista as forgiving as ping g?

Not quite but I personally think it is very close.     
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: hardboiled on January 31, 2017, 08:09:58 PM
Bagging the LTD too. Playing it at 44inch with cotton balls in the head for swing-weighting. 
Better numbers for me when demo'd against the new Callaways and TM's.

Also feels and sounds much better.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Mjr. D on January 31, 2017, 09:56:25 PM
Agree with the accuracy comments. The Epon 105 is the shortest driver I've ever hit (probably has something to do with my current, ridiculous C5 swing weight) but man that thing is straight and easy to hit. Scoring better because of it.  360 in the weeds isn't helping anyone.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: MBBG on February 01, 2017, 06:16:16 PM
Ok so I finally got a chance to hit the Epic and M1 440 today.

There's a brand new Dicks and they have a really nice bay with new launch monitor that seems pretty accurate. I made the guy make sure none of the "juice" settings were on.

Started with Epix SZ 9* standard settings Rogue Max 65S. Then went to M1 440 9.5 standard settings weight back Fuji XLR8 S. Then hit my Epon AF-105 9* with Speeder Evo II.

I was swinging well today and after recording 10 good shots with each my averages were within 2 MPH ball speed, 2 yards peak height, 200 rpm spin, and a few yards of carry and total distance. So basically they were all performing within the margin of error for me.

The guy said have you hit the new cobra yet and I said I haven't. He handed it to me, it's the F7+, turned down to 8.5D. Crushed it 7-10 yards farther than the other three right off the bat and it felt awesome too. But I hate the shallow profile and how low I have to tee it.

But the fitter said I've got an idea and cranked the loft down on the Epic SZ and put it on the draw setting. Bam. Ball speed and smash up, spin down, picked up 7-10 yards. Felt better too.

So then we did the same with the M1--cranked loft down and put it in upright setting and also put the HZRDUS yellow in it. After a couple swings to get the feel for it I just started killing this combo. My longest drives were 18 yards longer than my longest drives from the first go around.

I've never been able to hit a driver consistently under 2000 rpm spin but with this combo I was averaging 12.5 launch, 1800 spin, peak height around 27 yards at 147-152 mph ball speeds. We actually had to creep the loft back up to get spin and launch up a hair and find the sweet spot for my ball speed.

Nothing could touch the M1 440 once we got it maxed out for my swing today. I also preferred the looks, sound, and feel of the M1 440 over the SZ. I didn't purchase the M1 because I think an 8.5 would be better than cranking down a 9.5. (I have a bit of a flip and launch everything high) I think with a touch of hot melt it will feel and sound insanely good so I may pick up a tour head before spring.

I know launch monitors sometimes overvalue low spin numbers and some of my shots were definitely too low spin particularly anything nearing the toe of the club that turned over. So I need to see it outdoors before I do anything.

Went in expecting to be wowed by the SZ but was just meh for me. Never been a fan of the shape and looks of cally drivers and this one is no different. But was blown away by the M1. The F7+ Cobra is also very very good if one doesn't mind a shallower profile. That's just no good for me as I found out with the LTD Pro.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 01, 2017, 07:23:38 PM
Great I found Matt.   Keen to hear your outdoor feedback when you can.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Mjr. D on February 02, 2017, 12:49:02 PM
Great findings, thanks!

So I've poised this question before but do US drivers outperform JDM drivers, on the whole? It seems that way to me.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 02, 2017, 01:05:36 PM
For me ... definitely
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 02, 2017, 01:44:09 PM
Off the rack then possibly. If I could get fitted for a jdm driver at the same time as a usdm driver then maybe the tables would turn. I might just have to buy another Yamaha and be done with it 😉
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on February 02, 2017, 02:30:23 PM
Great findings, thanks!

So I've poised this question before but do US drivers outperform JDM drivers, on the whole? It seems that way to me.



I prefer JDM heads in quality but there is so little information out there that it is hard to try to fit yourself based on the data available.  In addition, the fat feline on TSG really muddy the waters with his lies.  Chris will basically sell you whatever he can make the most profit on.  In addition he has his lapdogs who just hang on his every word.  Its that part of the equation that hurts JDM image.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 02, 2017, 02:32:53 PM
Great findings, thanks!

So I've poised this question before but do US drivers outperform JDM drivers, on the whole? It seems that way to me.



I prefer JDM heads in quality but there is so little information out there that it is hard to try to fit yourself based on the data available.  In addition, the fat feline on TSG really muddy the waters with his lies.  Chris will basically sell you whatever he can make the most profit on.  In addition he has his lapdogs who just hang on his every word.  Its that part of the equation that hurts JDM image.

100% agree

Opinion influenced by Profit/greed ....
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Mjr. D on February 02, 2017, 02:43:38 PM
Haha the hate for him on here is hilarious. I'm not going to get into that, everyone's experience differs and that's fine.
 
When you guys do comparisons between US and JDM drivers is your swing weight and head weight the same? I know for me that hitting a heavier head drives the ball further and most JDM drivers I've used are just too damn light. I'm going to do some testing with lead weight and distances soon.

I definitely prefer the look, feel and and craftsmanship of JDM drivers and equipment in general but it seems the performance benefit over US equipment might not be real...
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on February 02, 2017, 04:49:00 PM
I've said it before and will repeat it again. I don't think there is better or worse when it comes to performance. It is just a matter of better fit for the swing. And that is where USDM have the edge because you can go get fit for the driver. Not possible with JDM.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Mjr. D on February 02, 2017, 09:53:43 PM
That's an incredibly fair statement.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: MBBG on February 02, 2017, 10:35:12 PM
Yeah I mean yesterday if I'd have had access to all the best JDM drivers and shafts to compare against the new USDM stuff that would be one hell of a good time.

I think that any golfer with access to everything could get optimal numbers with any number of head and shaft combos. The one obvious advantage of the US platform is the easy adjustment and shaft changes. I have played the AF-105 since last April and have felt like it's about as good as I can do with my swing. And then when I put the two hot US drivers up against it with stock shafts and settings, the performance was almost identical. But then we swap shafts and adjust some hosel settings and instantly get better results. At least on a monitor.

Can't wait to hit them outdoors.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: JanKo on February 03, 2017, 01:30:44 AM
Off the rack then possibly. If I could get fitted for a jdm driver at the same time as a usdm driver then maybe the tables would turn. I might just have to buy another Yamaha and be done with it 😉

I still have an Yamaha v203 tour 10 deg if you fancy. ;)
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on February 03, 2017, 04:07:06 AM
Off the rack then possibly. If I could get fitted for a jdm driver at the same time as a usdm driver then maybe the tables would turn. I might just have to buy another Yamaha and be done with it 😉

I still have an Yamaha v203 tour 10 deg if you fancy. ;)

And I have a Yamaha v202 10° ;)
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 03, 2017, 05:08:45 AM
Off the rack then possibly. If I could get fitted for a jdm driver at the same time as a usdm driver then maybe the tables would turn. I might just have to buy another Yamaha and be done with it 😉

I still have an Yamaha v203 tour 10 deg if you fancy. ;)

And I have a Yamaha v202 10° ;)

Germans, such attention seekers...
😋
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Blackman on February 03, 2017, 07:49:40 AM
I am German, but don't have an old JDM driver to sell ;) (sorry Jan!)

But I love my new EPIC SZ!

Setup:
- 9 Degree head
- Schaft: OBAN Kiyoshi HB (04)
- Length: 44,75 Inch
- SW: D3
- heavy weight in the back

Got it this week... because of the snow on the ground only indoor experience so far.

Results on Flightscope:
Compared to my XR16 Sub Zero it is producing more ball speed and a tighter dispersion.
The spin numbers are about the same. The EPIC SZ is a little longer on good shots and a lot longer on bad ones ;)
Feelwise I am not sure yet... love the XR16 SZ, but like the EPIC SZ

Because of the higher forgiveness I might be able to play the EPIC with the heavy weight forward... that would help my spin numbers even further. With the XR16 I got good results in terms of distance, but the number of balls in the fairway went down quite significantly.

I am very much looking forward to using it in the real world.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 03, 2017, 10:05:54 AM
I've been told Callaway have run out of Heads over here in the U.K... so my Custom order is Delayed!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Blackman on February 03, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
Same here...
My club maker had 10 on order and only got 4.
Demand seems to be high.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 03, 2017, 11:55:23 AM
Seems to be the SZ head which as been very Popular
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 07, 2017, 06:27:17 AM
Apparently mine won't be here until middle of March!!

No Heads or the Shaft I was fitted for!!


Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 07, 2017, 11:39:07 AM
Apparently mine won't be here until middle of March!!

No Heads or the Shaft I was fitted for!!

Get the M1 instead.......
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 07, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
Apparently mine won't be here until middle of March!!

No Heads or the Shaft I was fitted for!!

Get the M1 instead.......

I'm in Saturday Morning!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on February 07, 2017, 05:21:01 PM
My Cobra Ltd Black has arrived, off to collect it tomorrow!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: MBBG on February 07, 2017, 09:10:27 PM
Supposed to be snowy and nasty tomorrow so I might go back and see if my results are repeatable
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: hardboiled on February 07, 2017, 09:13:59 PM
My Cobra Ltd Black has arrived, off to collect it tomorrow!

Shorten the shaft a bit.. Add a bit of cotton wool through the space port = Bloody long fairway finder.. deadens the sound a bit too
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on February 07, 2017, 10:24:43 PM
I love the sound of the King LTD, it sounds perfect and Cobra measures different from all the other manufacturers, they are actually a quarter inch short, so stock is 44.75"  and the head is super heavy....with adapter, it weighs 211g.......about 15g heavier than TM M1
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: hardboiled on February 07, 2017, 11:18:34 PM
I love the sound of the King LTD, it sounds perfect and Cobra measures different from all the other manufacturers, they are actually a quarter inch short, so stock is 44.75"  and the head is super heavy....with adapter, it weighs 211g.......about 15g heavier than TM M1

I'm playing mine at 44 inch / Oban Kiyoshi, with some cotton wool to bring it up to D4.
Such a good driver.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 08, 2017, 02:55:16 PM
Wow, i went and hit the Callaway epic and SZ, i liked them but not enough to replace my 2017 M1 or 2017 M2.  The Callaways were very good but not enough to make me switch.  However later that evening i was at the indoor driving range that uses GC2 and i spotted a beat up Cobra King LTD demo club with a Rogus 95 MSi, i looked at it and thought it looked cheap.....weight was too light and the driver resembled a Walmart special....i whacked that driver and it felt awesome, somehow the head wanted to accelerate into the ball.  I look at the screen, stock shaft on crappy head, i figured it carried 220 and rolled to 230 with a 3500 back spin......NOPE !!!!!  it was 247 carry and 279 overall.....i hit a few more and got the same results, not to mention the club felt just divine......it just felt soft and powerful......after about 150 swings, the club was superb, dispersion was super tight and my avg carry was 245 and distance was 278.  i hit a few crappy drives but my avg good drive went 256 carry and 284 overall, spin was below 2000.  these are pretty good numbers for me...i normally carry about 245 and get 272 on a good hit......Im planning to go in later today and buy the beatup demo.....haha i might even keep the crappy grip.  But i also ordered a few new Cobra drivers with various shafts because i can't believe that a demo with a stock stiff shaft is perfect for me ?????  my 7d shaft alone will buy 10 new cobra drivers and my tour M1 should be able to buy a couple more......i basically have a driver that i am using that costs 12X more than a Brand new Cobra LTD and performs worse.  On top of distance and feel, the dispersion was so tight !!!!  Going to take the demo out to the OC on Friday and see if it can perform, i suspect this driver might just be a simulator king, i refuse to believe a club can be that good !!!!!!

Robbie, have you hit the King F6+ or the LTD Pro at all?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on February 08, 2017, 06:02:45 PM
I've hit the F7 and the F7+ and they were good drivers but nothing special, i did find the f7+ to be extremely low spinning and not very forgiving.  As for the LTD Pro, i don't have a hooking problem so a fade option isn't that useful.  Haha i just buy the same thing over and over again......i now have 7 sets of the same nike irons and 5 King LTD drivers
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 09, 2017, 01:05:08 AM
I've hit the F7 and the F7+ and they were good drivers but nothing special, i did find the f7+ to be extremely low spinning and not very forgiving.  As for the LTD Pro, i don't have a hooking problem so a fade option isn't that useful.  Haha i just buy the same thing over and over again......i now have 7 sets of the same nike irons and 5 King LTD drivers

5!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 09, 2017, 09:21:10 AM
I've hit the F7 and the F7+ and they were good drivers but nothing special, i did find the f7+ to be extremely low spinning and not very forgiving.  As for the LTD Pro, i don't have a hooking problem so a fade option isn't that useful.  Haha i just buy the same thing over and over again......i now have 7 sets of the same nike irons and 5 King LTD drivers

5!!

Yeah!   I'm tempted to try the king Ltd black just based on Robbie's hoeness
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on February 09, 2017, 09:54:06 AM
hahaha...this is restrained, considering that my 7 sets of Nike Vapor Fly pro and 5 King Cobra Drivers cost less than a single set of PXGs   : )

* I should mention that the LTD woods are even more impressive than the drivers.  Oh and i have 3 orange drivers and 2 matte black ones, and i actually prefer the orange ones.....newer isn't always better
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 09, 2017, 11:23:12 AM
hahaha...this is restrained, considering that my 7 sets of Nike Vapor Fly pro and 5 King Cobra Drivers cost less than a single set of PXGs   : )

* I should mention that the LTD woods are even more impressive than the drivers.  Oh and i have 3 orange drivers and 2 matte black ones, and i actually prefer the orange ones.....newer isn't always better

You can't play with all 5 at the same time, and it's my birthday soon, and I really like matte black, so..............hint hint
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: MBBG on February 09, 2017, 01:46:06 PM
Yeah the LTD 3 wood is money

The RomaRo that's in my bag edged it out but hell it cost about 3x as much I think
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on February 09, 2017, 02:26:00 PM
I've hit the F7 and the F7+ and they were good drivers but nothing special, i did find the f7+ to be extremely low spinning and not very forgiving.  As for the LTD Pro, i don't have a hooking problem so a fade option isn't that useful.  Haha i just buy the same thing over and over again......i now have 7 sets of the same nike irons and 5 King LTD drivers

5!!

Yeah!   I'm tempted to try the king Ltd black just based on Robbie's hoeness

It's here! Haven't hit it yet!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on February 09, 2017, 02:35:21 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/westfieldgolf/13261B42-E4E1-4357-82BB-AA268BF5AF4D.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/westfieldgolf/media/13261B42-E4E1-4357-82BB-AA268BF5AF4D.jpg.html)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/westfieldgolf/A7C7FCA1-FFD3-47B6-9C97-E66D1CEE8FE0.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/westfieldgolf/media/A7C7FCA1-FFD3-47B6-9C97-E66D1CEE8FE0.jpg.html)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/westfieldgolf/F25EF9CE-F1FD-4C88-9722-85E0D0E5EE8C.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/westfieldgolf/media/F25EF9CE-F1FD-4C88-9722-85E0D0E5EE8C.jpg.html)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/westfieldgolf/B5B2AE1F-DA25-4DA9-BA5C-92EB05BDD9C8.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/westfieldgolf/media/B5B2AE1F-DA25-4DA9-BA5C-92EB05BDD9C8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on February 09, 2017, 04:16:43 PM
Love the matte black crown and subtle alignment mark!!   
Hard to tell in the pic .. but is the carbon checker board pattern still visible thru the crown?   
Very tempted!!

 
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 09, 2017, 04:45:32 PM
That's a beauty.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: JanKo on February 10, 2017, 12:54:00 AM
Got me an LTD for the meantime. Epic SZ custom orders are delayed until march. :(

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 10, 2017, 01:44:17 AM
Got me an LTD for the meantime. Epic SZ custom orders are delayed until march. :(

Sounds like a plan
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on February 10, 2017, 02:04:23 AM
Got me an LTD for the meantime. Epic SZ custom orders are delayed until march. :(

Sounds like a plan

Hahahaha, sounds so familiar. I wanted a fitting with the Epic and my club told me they only have the standard model and not the SZ. There will be a demoday end of march where they will have the SZ and they could organize the fitting on that day for me. I agreed to wait. So, I decided to stay putt until then. That was about a month ago.
Status now, bought myself 2 new JDM drivers (not here yet) because I could not wait until end of March. We all have a serious disease in the forum. Group therapy anyone?  ::)
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 10, 2017, 02:47:04 AM
Ok what u got?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on February 10, 2017, 03:43:29 AM
Will post pics once I get it. Should be here within the next week?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 10, 2017, 04:38:56 AM
Will post pics once I get it. Should be here within the next week?

Come on!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on February 10, 2017, 05:46:08 AM
Will post pics once I get it. Should be here within the next week?

Come on!!

Ok, ok...

1.) Reoness RD101
2.) Baldo Competizione 568 460cc
3.) Loop Prototype CL shaft

Especially looking forward to the Baldo driver. Absolutely love the looks. DAT55G cup face with a ti 8-1-1 body.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: magpies on February 10, 2017, 08:26:42 AM
Ordered mine Sub zero on Tuesday. I was told it will be here 7-10 days. Is it really delayed in the UK or the whole of Europe in general? I heard if you ordered from Callaway direct some already got theirs.

Currently driver-less as i traded in my Ping G for it  :-\
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 10, 2017, 08:35:32 AM
Ordered mine Sub zero on Tuesday. I was told it will be here 7-10 days. Is it really delayed in the UK or the whole of Europe in general? I heard if you ordered from Callaway direct some already got theirs.

Currently driver-less as i traded in my Ping G for it  :-\

Friend ordered one day b4 me..
Both had Fitting at 2 places.

He got his one day B4 the Release date...
Mine will be middle of March!!!

Not happy
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 10, 2017, 08:43:33 AM
Ordered mine Sub zero on Tuesday. I was told it will be here 7-10 days. Is it really delayed in the UK or the whole of Europe in general? I heard if you ordered from Callaway direct some already got theirs.

Currently driver-less as i traded in my Ping G for it  :-\

Friend ordered one day b4 me..
Both had Fitting at 2 places.

He got his one day B4 the Release date...
Mine will be middle of March!!!

Not happy

Hahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on February 10, 2017, 09:09:43 AM
Ordered mine Sub zero on Tuesday. I was told it will be here 7-10 days. Is it really delayed in the UK or the whole of Europe in general? I heard if you ordered from Callaway direct some already got theirs.

Currently driver-less as i traded in my Ping G for it  :-\

I think you should buy another driver to bridge the time until you get the SZ.  ;D
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 10, 2017, 10:05:11 AM
Lol
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 10, 2017, 10:28:30 AM
Whos is the XV?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: JanKo on February 10, 2017, 10:35:29 AM
Ordered mine Sub zero on Tuesday. I was told it will be here 7-10 days. Is it really delayed in the UK or the whole of Europe in general? I heard if you ordered from Callaway direct some already got theirs.

Currently driver-less as i traded in my Ping G for it  :-\

Depends on what you order... They are out of 9° SZ heads, 10.5° available ... no stock shafts, most custom shafts are there.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 10, 2017, 11:00:14 AM
Whos is the XV?
;-)
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 10, 2017, 11:00:44 AM
My order was 9* with 75XStiff Rouge Max
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on February 10, 2017, 11:39:10 AM
So I played 9 holes with the Cobra Ltd and it's a beast! Launches dead straight  and I drove further than I did in the summer and it was 1 degree Celsius, snowing and I was using a crap old Callaway ball! I got under one drive a bit and it launched pretty high but still went almost as far as my 915 did with a good hit. Playing in a comp tomorrow so will see how it goes, tempted to see what some higher spec shafts in it would bring to the party!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 10, 2017, 09:45:53 PM
Lots of numbers here.  Would have been great for me if the 2017 M1 440 was in the mix.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1439398-trackman-results-sub-zero-vs-m1m2-vs-ltd-pro-driver-five-player-review/
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: 95124hacker on February 11, 2017, 02:10:00 AM
Lots of numbers here.  Would have been great for me if the 2017 M1 440 was in the mix.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1439398-trackman-results-sub-zero-vs-m1m2-vs-ltd-pro-driver-five-player-review/

I have the 2016 M1 460 (Diamana D+ 62 & Oban Kiyoshi White 65), LTD Pro (Diamana D+ 62 & Oban Kiyoshi Black 65), & XR16 SubZero (Oban Kiyoshi White 65). Will report my on-course observations soon!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 11, 2017, 04:48:32 AM
Lots of numbers here.  Would have been great for me if the 2017 M1 440 was in the mix.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1439398-trackman-results-sub-zero-vs-m1m2-vs-ltd-pro-driver-five-player-review/

I have the 2016 M1 460 (Diamana D+ 62 & Oban Kiyoshi White 65), LTD Pro (Diamana D+ 62 & Oban Kiyoshi Black 65), & XR16 SubZero (Oban Kiyoshi White 65). Will report my on-course observations soon!

Very interested in your findings, especially with the LTD Pro.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 11, 2017, 07:01:11 AM
Got my SZ 3 wood....
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: magpies on February 11, 2017, 12:40:50 PM
I ordered the 10.5 SZ with rogue max 65 r
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on February 11, 2017, 03:38:30 PM
Another round today with the Ltd and it has confirmed it as an absolute animal, was again 2 degrees Celsius and snowing and every driving hole I hit it further than I ever have on a glorius summer day, my friend measured a 310 yard drive into wind! He was astounded by it!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 12, 2017, 03:39:46 AM
Can someone measure the face height of the Cobra king Ltd and the epic SZ pls.

Thanks
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: hardboiled on February 12, 2017, 04:21:59 AM
I got the face at 50 mm. This is minus the speed channel.
With the speed channel included,  about 56 mm.
This is for the King LTD
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 12, 2017, 04:26:57 AM
I got the face at 50 mm. This is minus the speed channel.
With the speed channel included,  about 56 mm.
This is for the King LTD

Thanks.   That'll probably be a about 53mm the way I measure it from your pic.  So mid shallow in my world closer to mid.

Thanks again.   Good info for me.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 12, 2017, 04:34:57 AM
 Not the Best Picture
This is the 9* SZ

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 12, 2017, 07:57:28 AM
Not the Best Picture
This is the 9* SZ

Thanks D.   Wow...  That SZ is a deep mofo
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 12, 2017, 08:05:36 AM
Not the Best Picture
This is the 9* SZ

Thanks D.   Wow...  That SZ is a deep mofo

I shall check my 3 wood SZ ....
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: magpies on February 12, 2017, 03:58:57 PM
Wow i didn't know that the SZ is that deep. But i do however realise i hit deep woods better than shallow. Like Af 153. I guess everyone swing is really different and u can't rate forgiveness base on the product but should base it on the person swing.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 13, 2017, 01:53:15 PM
Not the Perfect session with the Loan Club!!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: 95124hacker on February 13, 2017, 02:20:01 PM
Lots of numbers here.  Would have been great for me if the 2017 M1 440 was in the mix.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1439398-trackman-results-sub-zero-vs-m1m2-vs-ltd-pro-driver-five-player-review/

I have the 2016 M1 460 (Diamana D+ 62 & Oban Kiyoshi White 65), LTD Pro (Diamana D+ 62 & Oban Kiyoshi Black 65), & XR16 SubZero (Oban Kiyoshi White 65). Will report my on-course observations soon!

Very interested in your findings, especially with the LTD Pro.

Played 27 holes this weekend with the XR16 SZ and the LTD Pro in the bag. It's been a real wet month here and even though the skies were clear, the air was moist and fairways extremely soggy. 

Lofted the XR16 SZ to +2 (11.5) and the LTD Pro to 10* (max setting on the Pro adapter).  Had a 75g Oban Kiyoshi White X tipped 1.5" in the SZ which is stout but not harsh at all.  The LTD Pro had a 65g Oban Kiyoshi Black X.

Both drivers produced tight dispersion on good swings, i.e. not over the top swings which I'm prone to on occasion. Distance was good for both, with a slight nod to the LTD Pro. The pic shows 2 drives on the same hole. The farther one was with the LTD Pro , with a disclaimer that I caught the LTD Pro low on the face and height was half the height of the SZ.

I want to loft up the LTD Pro another 1-2 degrees so I just ordered an Oban Kiyoshi Gold S with a non-Pro adapter. I also ordered a Oban Devotion 6X for the SZ, which I hope will play a tad less stiff.

As you can see, I'm really enjoying the Oban shafts.

Sorry for hijacking this thread but it seems forgivable around here...
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on February 13, 2017, 03:06:26 PM
The cobra ltd is getting such good reviews here it should deserve a thread on its own.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 13, 2017, 03:23:44 PM
Lots of numbers here.  Would have been great for me if the 2017 M1 440 was in the mix.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1439398-trackman-results-sub-zero-vs-m1m2-vs-ltd-pro-driver-five-player-review/

I have the 2016 M1 460 (Diamana D+ 62 & Oban Kiyoshi White 65), LTD Pro (Diamana D+ 62 & Oban Kiyoshi Black 65), & XR16 SubZero (Oban Kiyoshi White 65). Will report my on-course observations soon!

Very interested in your findings, especially with the LTD Pro.

Played 27 holes this weekend with the XR16 SZ and the LTD Pro in the bag. It's been a real wet month here and even though the skies were clear, the air was moist and fairways extremely soggy. 

Lofted the XR16 SZ to +2 (11.5) and the LTD Pro to 10* (max setting on the Pro adapter).  Had a 75g Oban Kiyoshi White X tipped 1.5" in the SZ which is stout but not harsh at all.  The LTD Pro had a 65g Oban Kiyoshi Black X.

Both drivers produced tight dispersion on good swings, i.e. not over the top swings which I'm prone to on occasion. Distance was good for both, with a slight nod to the LTD Pro. The pic shows 2 drives on the same hole. The farther one was with the LTD Pro , with a disclaimer that I caught the LTD Pro low on the face and height was half the height of the SZ.

I want to loft up the LTD Pro another 1-2 degrees so I just ordered an Oban Kiyoshi Gold S with a non-Pro adapter. I also ordered a Oban Devotion 6X for the SZ, which I hope will play a tad less stiff.

As you can see, I'm really enjoying the Oban shafts.

Sorry for hijacking this thread but it seems forgivable around here...

If you can, try the Kiyoshi HB. Awesome shaft. Never tried the black or white but would like to try.

I've just bought a used LTD Pro head and was unsure about using the standard adapter in a Pro. Please see this thread that has a loft table/graph for the Bio Cell range which shows what the actual loft will be if you use the 'other' adapter, and it equates to the later models too:
http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1268904-myfly8-adapter-in-new-king-ltd-pro-driver/
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: 95124hacker on February 13, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
Thanks for sharing the info on the std vs Pro adapter. So I guess 12 deg on std adapter will give me 10 loft on my Pro head. So I'm not actually lofting up at all. The Gold shaft is high launch so hoping I see in increase in trajectory from the shaft change.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 13, 2017, 05:53:41 PM
Qc issues with the epic.   2 hopefully isolated incidences.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1441934-my-epic-sz-broke-after-20-swings/page__pid__14964306#entry14964306
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 14, 2017, 04:34:03 AM
Not very good QC...
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Golfbaka on February 14, 2017, 09:17:14 AM
Qc issues with the epic.   2 hopefully isolated incidences.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1441934-my-epic-sz-broke-after-20-swings/page__pid__14964306#entry14964306

Hopefully for them not a TM Jet Speed  'Krakatoa' volcano!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on February 14, 2017, 12:47:35 PM
Judging by the results of the WRX 5 club test, the SubZero didn't help any of the testers.....as for QC, im not sure if there is a way to determine if the weight would fracture, its more of a material design flaw.....probably trying to get it done as cheaply as possible and they didn't expect the weight posts to snap................
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on February 14, 2017, 03:12:59 PM
Judging by the results of the WRX 5 club test, the SubZero didn't help any of the testers.....as for QC, im not sure if there is a way to determine if the weight would fracture, its more of a material design flaw.....probably trying to get it done as cheaply as possible and they didn't expect the weight posts to snap................

I would assume it is a simple mechanical integrity check based on material properties.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on February 14, 2017, 04:45:40 PM
Maybe I just happened to be around many Cally fans.... but I personally know of 1 guy who cracked the face of his RAZR X Black driver twice and another guy that cracked the face of his RAZR Fit 4 wood twice and another guy who cracked the face of his X Hot 3 wood once...     

Maybe Callaway has different mechanical design standards than others but I sure hear a lot more Cally issues than any other brand.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 14, 2017, 09:55:18 PM
So most are still caught up on the King Ltd and SZ with the 2017 TM Ms not getting much of an in?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: JanKo on February 15, 2017, 02:02:55 AM
So most are still caught up on the King Ltd and SZ with the 2017 TM Ms not getting much of an in?

In the tests me and my friend (professional) did, the 2017 M1 was a Little disappointment. The SZ blew the TM away, for my my buddy his 2016 M1 performed better than the newer version... he ended up with the "regular" Epic, which had way better ball speed and was more consistent.

Pretty much the same with our customers, Callaway is way in front of TM this year.

Just our experience though.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 15, 2017, 03:43:28 AM
I'm not sure if it's a case of better ...
I think it's what fits you best!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 15, 2017, 03:44:03 AM
So most are still caught up on the King Ltd and SZ with the 2017 TM Ms not getting much of an in?

In the tests me and my friend (professional) did, the 2017 M1 was a Little disappointment. The SZ blew the TM away, for my my buddy his 2016 M1 performed better than the newer version... he ended up with the "regular" Epic, which had way better ball speed and was more consistent.

Pretty much the same with our customers, Callaway is way in front of TM this year.

Just our experience though.

Thanks.  The epic has yet to hit my shores but I think it's worth a demo from all the talk here
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on February 15, 2017, 12:22:23 PM
My longest driver is the 2017 M2, but its rather unforgiving.....only the sweetspot "nickel size" is incredible...very hot and feels awesome......hit outside the sweetspot and it feels and sounds horrible and distance suffers.....If u want a driver with a large face and a really hot middle, then this is your driver......When i get grooved in with this driver after 10-15 balls, it is a rock star !!!!!  Out on the course, it performs extremely well but again it has highs and lows......The LTD is different, it feels great and is forgiving across the entire face.....you won't get super long bombs but the mishits are very good.....

*ive owned several M1460 and M1440 and i have to say the M2 is the one to beat.....I also gamed the 2016 M2 and that was a great club.  Ive now hit the SZ extensively and had a few hits with the Epic and frankly, i don't see the increased ball speed or forgiveness ????  Its basically a weaker little brother of the SZ
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on February 16, 2017, 08:14:13 AM
So this happened today!!! Hit 3 long straight drives on the preceding holes, hit a nice drive on this hole and the head just sort of fell off!! Haven't hit the ground at all with it and haven't hit it on the range at all and this was the third round! I'm guessing it's just a failure in the shaft due to a manufacturing defect?!
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/westfieldgolf/6F03EDF0-6388-44E7-AFC3-A3106945CF0B.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/westfieldgolf/media/6F03EDF0-6388-44E7-AFC3-A3106945CF0B.jpg.html)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/westfieldgolf/31FBFDE4-8E42-459B-BC09-20A62EBC61FC.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/westfieldgolf/media/31FBFDE4-8E42-459B-BC09-20A62EBC61FC.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 16, 2017, 08:24:05 AM
Shaft fracture which eventually gave.  Not necessarily manufacturing.   Could have happened during shipping or packing.   Was it opened for customs inspection?   I've had a shaft broken that way.

Reason to get a new shaft.   Loop cl stiff for you?  ;D

Seriously though.   Sorry to hear.  Hope you have golf insurance.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on February 16, 2017, 08:26:08 AM
Shaft fracture which eventually gave.  Not necessarily manufacturing.   Could have happened during shipping or packing.   Was it opened for customs inspection?   I've had a shaft broken that way.

Hope you have golf insurance.

I bought it from American Golf, already spoken to them and they are getting me a new one!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on February 16, 2017, 08:27:16 AM
Shaft fracture which eventually gave.  Not necessarily manufacturing.   Could have happened during shipping or packing.   Was it opened for customs inspection?   I've had a shaft broken that way.

Hope you have golf insurance.

I bought it from American Golf, already spoken to them and they are getting me a new one!

Do you need to send back the old head.....  ;)
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 16, 2017, 08:57:45 AM
Was the head damaged after its fall? Get them to send you a whole new head and shaft.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on February 16, 2017, 02:22:36 PM
Was the head damaged after its fall? Get them to send you a whole new head and shaft.

Will do!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on February 16, 2017, 02:55:46 PM
Was the head damaged after its fall? Get them to send you a whole new head and shaft.

Will do!!

And keep the old one. Lol.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ditchvisitor on February 16, 2017, 03:15:19 PM
I will try my best!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: 95124hacker on February 16, 2017, 03:55:34 PM
I will try my best!

Lol. That's part of their Jail BREAK technology...  Sorry to see that!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: freehb on February 16, 2017, 08:02:36 PM
I hit the epic with a 65g Fuji matore stiff last w/e quit a bit...meh...its perfectly serviceable, performance (distance/forgiveness) are fine...just not special...not seeing where the hype is coming from...just doesn't feel that good, quality is so so and I found myself wondering where all the hype is coming from...
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: spoon on February 16, 2017, 08:36:10 PM
I hit the epic with a 65g Fuji matore stiff last w/e quit a bit...meh...its perfectly serviceable, performance (distance/forgiveness) are fine...just not special...not seeing where the hype is coming from...just doesn't feel that good, quality is so so and I found myself wondering where all the hype is coming from...

i haven't hit it but the 917D3 with tp5s is very nice. id like to try the epic and m2 one of these days.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Staxxx on February 16, 2017, 10:59:41 PM
I hit the epic with a 65g Fuji matore stiff last w/e quit a bit...meh...its perfectly serviceable, performance (distance/forgiveness) are fine...just not special...not seeing where the hype is coming from...just doesn't feel that good, quality is so so and I found myself wondering where all the hype is coming from...

I agree. I demoed the standard as well as the SZ with the same shaft as well as the 50 gms Hzrdous and both were OK...nothing special, although I liked the feel of the head. So I bought a couple of adapters and put one on my Tour AD shaft and it was like a different club. Same feel but a much better trajectory (my spin numbers were significantly down) and long. I am pretty sure I'll get the SZ 9* head.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: freehb on February 18, 2017, 01:46:47 AM
I hit the epic with a 65g Fuji matore stiff last w/e quit a bit...meh...its perfectly serviceable, performance (distance/forgiveness) are fine...just not special...not seeing where the hype is coming from...just doesn't feel that good, quality is so so and I found myself wondering where all the hype is coming from...

I agree. I demoed the standard as well as the SZ with the same shaft as well as the 50 gms Hzrdous and both were OK...nothing special, although I liked the feel of the head. So I bought a couple of adapters and put one on my Tour AD shaft and it was like a different club. Same feel but a much better trajectory (my spin numbers were significantly down) and long. I am pretty sure I'll get the SZ 9* head.

How about I buy it from you a year from now...$2.00 less shipping for the head?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: MBBG on February 19, 2017, 10:10:08 PM
Had that happen on a Ping G10 years ago right after I started golfing. I may have hit the ground a few times with it though 😳
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Staxxx on February 20, 2017, 04:16:10 AM
I hit the epic with a 65g Fuji matore stiff last w/e quit a bit...meh...its perfectly serviceable, performance (distance/forgiveness) are fine...just not special...not seeing where the hype is coming from...just doesn't feel that good, quality is so so and I found myself wondering where all the hype is coming from...

I agree. I demoed the standard as well as the SZ with the same shaft as well as the 50 gms Hzrdous and both were OK...nothing special, although I liked the feel of the head. So I bought a couple of adapters and put one on my Tour AD shaft and it was like a different club. Same feel but a much better trajectory (my spin numbers were significantly down) and long. I am pretty sure I'll get the SZ 9* head.

How about I buy it from you a year from now...$2.00 less shipping for the head?

The way I am buying drivers this last 12 months it probably won't last that long. I've had both M1 and M2 last year, tried both the Egg 7 and the New Egg, TP-09, the ZY-7, the A-Japa, 2016 Ryoma Type V, now playing the Honma TW737, Roddio S-Tuning, Kasco Taro, Astro Tour V-something, a Baldo Craft 8 coming ... 
although my back up is an older Emillid Bahama that I bought from Art a while ago that I love.
I think I am slowly coming to the conclusion that it's not the club but perhaps the swing!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on February 20, 2017, 05:53:20 AM
I hit the epic with a 65g Fuji matore stiff last w/e quit a bit...meh...its perfectly serviceable, performance (distance/forgiveness) are fine...just not special...not seeing where the hype is coming from...just doesn't feel that good, quality is so so and I found myself wondering where all the hype is coming from...

I agree. I demoed the standard as well as the SZ with the same shaft as well as the 50 gms Hzrdous and both were OK...nothing special, although I liked the feel of the head. So I bought a couple of adapters and put one on my Tour AD shaft and it was like a different club. Same feel but a much better trajectory (my spin numbers were significantly down) and long. I am pretty sure I'll get the SZ 9* head.

How about I buy it from you a year from now...$2.00 less shipping for the head?

The way I am buying drivers this last 12 months it probably won't last that long. I've had both M1 and M2 last year, tried both the Egg 7 and the New Egg, TP-09, the ZY-7, the A-Japa, 2016 Ryoma Type V, now playing the Honma TW737, Roddio S-Tuning, Kasco Taro, Astro Tour V-something, a Baldo Craft 8 coming ... 
although my back up is an older Emillid Bahama that I bought from Art a while ago that I love.
I think I am slowly coming to the conclusion that it's not the club but perhaps the swing!

No, that is impossible. It's always the club and not the swing. Don't even attempt to take away that illusion from us.  ;D
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: magpies on February 28, 2017, 11:09:06 AM
so pissed.... they delayed my Epic SZ till mid-march! WTH!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on February 28, 2017, 11:29:44 AM
so pissed.... they delayed my Epic SZ till mid-march! WTH!

Yep...
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: freehb on March 02, 2017, 08:30:16 PM
Hit the epic again last weekend on the course and I get it now...you middle it and it really goes...that said, even with a different/better shaft it still feels crappy...
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on March 03, 2017, 03:58:12 AM
Hit the epic again last weekend on the course and I get it now...you middle it and it really goes...that said, even with a different/better shaft it still feels crappy...

I actually really liked the feel.  ;D
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on March 03, 2017, 04:15:14 AM
Feel is subjective
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on March 03, 2017, 11:17:59 AM
Are you guys hearing a lot of raving reviews of the Epic after it was released?  Cuz I am not... 

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: 95124hacker on March 03, 2017, 04:57:11 PM
Are you guys hearing a lot of raving reviews of the Epic after it was released?  Cuz I am not...

Watching the LPGA HSBC event this week, I noticed the Epic in some bags. I think Michelle Wie and Anna Nordqvist. I find it interesting seeing what the ladies bag because few of them have club contracts.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: freehb on March 03, 2017, 08:04:35 PM
Feel is subjective

So true...also, I've noticed that if a club performs I can get used to and appreciate the feel...

That said, I did not find the epic particularly forgiving especially if you catch it low or near the heel, distance loss was more severe than w the prgr or epon 904 and that's why...despite hitting what very well could be my longest drive on several years with it, it will never make one of my bags...
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: freehb on March 23, 2017, 08:47:09 PM
Starting to think I might buy this club now...hit 3 absolute bullets (for me...only 265 bit that's good compared to my usual 245) with it tonight...
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on March 24, 2017, 01:00:35 PM
Finally picked mine up today....

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: freehb on March 24, 2017, 07:39:48 PM
It's hard to get used to the feel and sound but I have to admit it does perform.  It's been said a lot but it's true, callaway knows how to design a driver...
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on March 25, 2017, 02:08:25 AM
I don't mind the Feel or the Sound.... blinds the TM range!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on March 25, 2017, 02:10:23 AM
It's hard to get used to the feel and sound but I have to admit it does perform.  It's been said a lot but it's true, callaway knows how to design a driver...

H,  have you tried the M1 440?  Woukd be good to get your comparo on the 2 as well.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on March 27, 2017, 02:51:37 AM
Finally saw these in person.  Seems to have a rather large print.  A mid-ish face height.  Hope to demo these soon.

Interesting also that they have a only brought in the SZ and Star.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on March 27, 2017, 07:21:30 AM
Finally saw these in person.  Seems to have a rather large print.  A mid-ish face height.  Hope to demo these soon.

Interesting also that they have a only brought in the SZ and Star.

A, you can buy one of those then trade it with my LM ;) SZ maybe? Lol.  ;D
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on March 27, 2017, 12:17:44 PM
Liking mine Sooooooo much
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: JanKo on March 28, 2017, 01:40:21 AM
So after a week of golf in Portugal and 2 rounds back home (itīs finally spring, yeah!), I want to share my opinion.

Took the Epic and the Epic SZ with me to Portugal, had my trusted Tour AD DI-6 and a Speeder Evo II 661 with me.
Originally decided on the SZ but with all the delayed orders and my buddy trying to talk me into the regular Epic, I took on of each to compare. Played 7 days in a row and had a Range session with both drivers before each round.
The Epic SZ proofed to be much more consistent for me. Donīt know if it is the heavier weight of the SZ head that suits me better, but it proofed to be much straighter. Once in a while there was a straight push, but I blame that to the swing not being really in shape after the long winter. The regular Epic produced 2-way-misses for me. It could be the push I but also a big hook at times.
Forgiveness seemed pretty similar to me. Iīm really impressed on how forgiving the SZ is... even some really bad impact locations resulted in decent drives. Never thought such a low spin driver can be so easy to play. With the SZ I feel like I get at least the same great numbers I had with the 2016 M1 on good strikes with MUCH MORE consistency.
I really like the sound of SZ, the regular Epic sounds a little tingy to me.
Needless to say that Iīm keeping the SZ, playing it on +1° (10°) which produces a nice high launch and low spin ball flight for me.

This was also my first experiment with the Evo II... I have to admit that I really really like it. Feels really stable and super smooth, thatīs a combo I havenīt seen very often. Kicked out the DI-6 I played a couple of years.
I have a second Evo II 661, one currently plays 45" and the other 45.5". I was planning to cut one of these down for my 3 wood, but Iīm not sure if 68g would be enough weight.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on March 28, 2017, 03:35:27 AM
So after a week of golf in Portugal and 2 rounds back home (itīs finally spring, yeah!), I want to share my opinion.

Took the Epic and the Epic SZ with me to Portugal, had my trusted Tour AD DI-6 and a Speeder Evo II 661 with me.
Originally decided on the SZ but with all the delayed orders and my buddy trying to talk me into the regular Epic, I took on of each to compare. Played 7 days in a row and had a Range session with both drivers before each round.
The Epic SZ proofed to be much more consistent for me. Donīt know if it is the heavier weight of the SZ head that suits me better, but it proofed to be much straighter. Once in a while there was a straight push, but I blame that to the swing not being really in shape after the long winter. The regular Epic produced 2-way-misses for me. It could be the push I but also a big hook at times.
Forgiveness seemed pretty similar to me. Iīm really impressed on how forgiving the SZ is... even some really bad impact locations resulted in decent drives. Never thought such a low spin driver can be so easy to play. With the SZ I feel like I get at least the same great numbers I had with the 2016 M1 on good strikes with MUCH MORE consistency.
I really like the sound of SZ, the regular Epic sounds a little tingy to me.
Needless to say that Iīm keeping the SZ, playing it on +1° (10°) which produces a nice high launch and low spin ball flight for me.

This was also my first experiment with the Evo II... I have to admit that I really really like it. Feels really stable and super smooth, thatīs a combo I havenīt seen very often. Kicked out the DI-6 I played a couple of years.
I have a second Evo II 661, one currently plays 45" and the other 45.5". I was planning to cut one of these down for my 3 wood, but Iīm not sure if 68g would be enough weight.

Evo II 661 is a very good shaft. You described it very well. Very stable but smooth at the same time. If you want to use it in a 3W, remember that the EvoII is counterbalanced which might mess up your SW.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on March 28, 2017, 04:27:16 PM
If any of u guys have access to Trackman or GC2, can u post some of your numbers......interested in why this driver didn't work for me...i suspect i got a dud, will be looking to get another one soon.....as for now the King LTD is the gamer, i actually prefer the orange to the black ( weird )

King LTD w/ tensei 60TX tipped 3/4"  44.5" driver

BS : 153
Spin 1850*
LA 18.2 deg
Carry 271
Total 294


*There is the main problem, i can't seem to get it below 2200 as often as i would like, i often get spins of 2700-3200, this spin actually works good on a course but it doesn't give me optimal Simulator numbers.  Tempted to go to the F7+ which is less forgiving but super low spin
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on March 29, 2017, 12:17:25 AM
18.2 launch angle seems very high.   But ball speed of 153 getting you to 271 carry is very very good.    Probably because of the super low spin you have.

Mine are more like   14 deg Launch , 150 ball speed , 250 carry , 2700 spin.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on March 29, 2017, 10:43:27 AM
its definitely the spin that gets it out there, often my spin jumps to 2800 and then my carry will drop to 250 even though my Launch angle is 19 deg.   On GC2, the numbers really pop when u get spin below 2100.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on March 29, 2017, 10:48:44 AM
I need to lower my spin! 
Funny though no one at any of the golf shops or GOLFTEC tell me that my spin rates are too high....  they tell me 2700 is about right for my swing speed.

 
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on March 29, 2017, 11:31:12 AM
2700 spin works very well on a golf course.  it will keep you in play but those flat bombs with zero spin while hitting the downslope of a dried out fairway with wind behind you are the fun drives. 
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on March 29, 2017, 04:36:04 PM
I think with our modest ball speeds you need a bit of spin to get decent carry numbers. Unless you launch it super high which Robbie seems to be doing. Not sure how this would work in the real world though.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on March 30, 2017, 01:33:42 AM
Im using a Leopold laser to compare my findings with the Trackman 3E predicted distance and it seems perfect for the carry but I'm getting nowhere near the 30 yards predicted roll......the fairways are really soggy and I'm going to have to wait a month or so for them to firm up.  As far as low spin goes, i would be very happy with 2200 as that amounts affords me plenty of distance and forgiveness
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on March 30, 2017, 10:34:48 AM
I thought there was something wrong with my Grandista driver typically getting 250 carry.  So when I bumped into a Pro friend yesterday at the range,  I let him hit my
driver ...   He was getting 290, 300 carry consistently on my Yupitel meter ....  OK I get it!! It's the Indian and not the arrow!!   
As an excuse  he's still in his 20's and I am about to hit 50.   I'd give  a yard per year difference in age ... but that still does not get me to his distance!!!   :(

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on March 30, 2017, 12:45:34 PM
I practice at a indoor driving range and almost all the guys there carry 300 yards.....haha i understand your pain.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Blackman on March 31, 2017, 05:42:57 AM
After my good results with my EPIC SZ Driver I got to try the SZ Fairway last Friday.
This is a great head  (at least for me)
- Very easy to handle
- almost too long (had to change the loft to make it fit into my set)
- unbelievably easy to move around (draw, fade,... on request)
- I like the feel (based on my setup with a OBAN Devotion HB Shaft)

Very much recommended !!

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on March 31, 2017, 08:25:23 AM
Thanks for the feedback on the 3W.  very helpful.
BTW I am seeing an unfamiliar brand name in you Signature. "Gimar"
Can you do an intro and review of your irons and wedges maybe in a separate post? 
Refreshing to see and know about nonUS  and non JDM brands!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on March 31, 2017, 02:24:28 PM
My club had a Callaway demoday today. Perfect weather and testing conditions today. Callaway had brought a trackman. So far so good. Unfortunately I was not the only one who wanted to test clubs. To make the story short I had only about 10 minutes on trackman at the end. But while I was waiting my turn the rep handed me a couple of different combos of the standard epic to hit. Only the standard shafts though. Tried the made for HZRDUS 55gr. Regular which felt too whippy and too light. Went then to the Fuji Pro 62 stiff made for. While weight was better I did not really like how it felt. Then I hit the 55gr. HZRDUS in stiff and it felt much better but the it was still too light. By the time I got on trackman I hit so many shots that fatigue started to creep in and the swings got crappy. Was surprised in general that my SS seemed to have dropped. Was managing only around 95 mph. Well, but it is what it is. Managed to hit a couple of good ones and they were super high launch (9* head all set at neutral). If I remember correctly launch was around 17-18* with around 1600-1700 spin. Smash factor was 1.50 and 1.51. Very good numbers. But a bit too high of a launch in my opinion which the rep also tried to bring down by adjusting loft with the sleeve. But results were similar. That's when I started losing my swing. We put some face tape and I hit one low and slightly on the heel. Spin went up as expected around just above 3000 rpm. But when I looked at smash factor it said 1.50 couldn't believe that with that strike location. Was really impressed by that. The last shot I took, I took my own driver (which I have not spend much time with either so far). Made a terrible swing and caught the ball pretty low on the face. Looked at track man and spin was up at around 3500 rpm but smash factor was again at 1.50. Made me a bit suspicious.
All in all the numbers looked very good with the Epic. But it wasn't like it was miles better than my driver by looking at flight. The numbers just made me suspicious at the end. Didn't really trust them.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on March 31, 2017, 02:58:06 PM
Very sus regarding the smash factor.

What was the ball speed/distance/dispersion like compared to your gamer?
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on March 31, 2017, 03:29:41 PM
Only had one hit on trackman with my driver and I didn't hit it well at all. So I can't really compare numbers.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Blackman on March 31, 2017, 07:30:29 PM
Hi Nobwas,

...GIMAR is a small swiss forgery.
They only make a little number of sets. The players versions are very nice and even kicked my beloved Miuras out of the bag.
Nice soft feel and pretty forgiving especially the NRBX model. I am getting a tighter dispersion on these.
The NRB Pro are visually not as nice as my Miura MN001, but still nice small cavity players irons.
The Wedges are the best I have ever tried.
Copied some elements of the Callaway PM versions, but in a smaller and a lot prettier shape.

Great heads that you don't find in a lot of bags... unfortunately not JDM ;(
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: wmclarenf1 on April 01, 2017, 04:42:47 AM
Hi Nobwas,

...GIMAR is a small swiss forgery.
They only make a little number of sets. The players versions are very nice and even kicked my beloved Miuras out of the bag.
Nice soft feel and pretty forgiving especially the NRBX model. I am getting a tighter dispersion on these.
The NRB Pro are visually not as nice as my Miura MN001, but still nice small cavity players irons.
The Wedges are the best I have ever tried.
Copied some elements of the Callaway PM versions, but in a smaller and a lot prettier shape.

Great heads that you don't find in a lot of bags... unfortunately not JDM ;(

Pls post pics of your GIMARs
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Blackman on April 05, 2017, 01:02:41 AM
Here you go... in order to avoid abuse of this thread also with the epic woods
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on April 17, 2017, 11:21:18 AM
This weekend, i finally made the change over from Cobra LTD to the Epic SZ, after 3 tries with different heads, i finally found one that i liked....it might be the manufacturing variances but the face angle and weight of my current Epic SZ works for me.....The driver is so low a spin i had to bump my loft up 1 degree and move the weight to the back to get enough spin to keep the ball in the air.   The SZ is better sounding than the Cobra and feel is about the same, i can get a bit more carry out of the Cobra but i can get more roll out of the SZ and thus it is a longer overall club.  The Cobra finds about 1-2 more fairways a round but the SZ is new and i feel this driver will get more accurate as i have more time with it.....Shafts are the same in both, i rotate between a Tensei 60TX tipped half inch or a TP AD 6X tipped half inch.  Drivers are so good these days that if u find one you like, it is probably as good as everything else.  Just get dialed in with the driver you like to look at and sounds and feels good.   As for distance, all u can do is achieve your max ball speed and backspin for your swing and angle of attack.  All the extra distance will be from middling the hit and clearing your hips.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on April 17, 2017, 01:42:22 PM
Awesome Robbie.    So I got some questions for you...

You used to use mostly Stiff shafts before as I recall but recently you are using X and TX flex shafts ..... What is the biggest change you are seeing with the stiffer flex?
Better launch condition?   Higher swing speed?  Stability ?  lower spin?   or all of the above?    :)

I really like the new Mizuno MP head and want to find a shaft that will pop it out there nice and deep!
I was thinking about trying a stiffer but lighter shaft like a 60X or even a 50X  to squeeze out as much swing speed out of this almost 50 yr old body of mine!!
This Old Fart is looking to gain some distance this season!!   
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: ian-500 on April 17, 2017, 02:02:57 PM
Nob, try the UST Mamiya Elements Platinum. 90T and Toray1100. Ultra stable with fantastic feel. Low launch with low spin. Tee it high if you're a low ball hitter......or get the Elements Gold.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Robbie on April 17, 2017, 02:57:54 PM
Hey Nob, the stiff flex worked great for my 75% swing but when i swing harder, it impacts too much backspin to the ball, the flex does not feel bad if you have good timing, I'm only using the 60TX and the Tour AD TP 6X, i think the light weight flexes are very pliable but the 70X is too much for me in terms of driver, i use 70X in my fairway woods.....  I still swing the stiff in my irons and i may move to stiff soft stepped once.....i have not gained any swing speed but i have learned to stay behind the ball more. Oh and X and TX are the same flex, Tensei just uses TX to help distinguish between their retail model and their pro model shafts.  In terms of performance, i find my dispersion to be tighter and my balls to be less affected by headwind. 
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: 1dirtypanda on April 18, 2017, 12:16:54 AM
Awesome Robbie.    So I got some questions for you...

You used to use mostly Stiff shafts before as I recall but recently you are using X and TX flex shafts ..... What is the biggest change you are seeing with the stiffer flex?
Better launch condition?   Higher swing speed?  Stability ?  lower spin?   or all of the above?    :)



Ego boosted
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on April 18, 2017, 09:47:57 AM
Ego boosted

Well...  I'd rather see consistent drives that we'll "Boost" my scores lower.   :)
Right now, due to the course conditions here in WA,  I literally get no roll.  That should change as the weather warms up.
I put in a Tour Regular Rogue 125 MSI in my Mizuno MP Driver ... and I am getting good carry.
I chose a Tour Regular flex because last time I tried this shaft in Tour Stiff,  it was a bit much.   I really had to step on it to make it work ... which killed my consistency.      Though I have not measured spin with this new combo,  the ball looks pretty low spin at the range.



 

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: nobwas on April 18, 2017, 09:53:24 AM
Nob, try the UST Mamiya Elements Platinum. 90T and Toray1100. Ultra stable with fantastic feel. Low launch with low spin. Tee it high if you're a low ball hitter......or get the Elements Gold.

Looks really nice.... Though I was hoping to get a lighter shaft this time in the Sub 60s
With the advancement in materials , I am hoping the lighter shafts are more stable and easier to tame these days. 

Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: 1dirtypanda on April 19, 2017, 12:47:33 PM
Ego boosted

Well...  I'd rather see consistent drives that we'll "Boost" my scores lower.   :)
Right now, due to the course conditions here in WA,  I literally get no roll.  That should change as the weather warms up.
I put in a Tour Regular Rogue 125 MSI in my Mizuno MP Driver ... and I am getting good carry.
I chose a Tour Regular flex because last time I tried this shaft in Tour Stiff,  it was a bit much.   I really had to step on it to make it work ... which killed my consistency.      Though I have not measured spin with this new combo,  the ball looks pretty low spin at the range.



 

oh, i meant X flex boost robbie's ego.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on April 19, 2017, 12:48:40 PM
I'm playing X flex..... I can't tell any difference to be honest!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: 95124hacker on April 19, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
I'm playing X flex..... I can't tell any difference to be honest!

I've been experimenting with X flex driver shafts even though I fit into SR based on SS alone. I can play SR, S, SX or X with little difference in results. That seems to match the famous book The Search for the Perfect Swing by the British researchers, where they concluded that distance isn't affected by flex, only feel and ability to square the face at impact
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on April 20, 2017, 01:06:33 PM
Let's hope the Epic irons are from the same Stable as the Driver....
Roll on June!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on April 28, 2017, 04:23:17 PM
Sneak peak Epic iron pics finally surface!!

They look good!!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on September 08, 2017, 03:10:57 AM
Just received my Epic SZ yesterday with the Aldila Rogue Max 65 S shaft in a trade. I tested this head previously with the stock HZRDUS which I actually did like.
Played a quick 9 yesterday after work on my home course, so I know where I usually end up with good and bad drives. First verdict, this driver is definitely long! Longer than my previous gamer for sure by 10-15 meters. High launch low spin. Wasn't swinging all that great as I went straight to the tee and did not really have time to get comfortable with it. Wasn't fully trusting it and it showed with the drives. Mostly all fading.
There is a hole at the my home course that is a dogleg right. You can cut the corner slightly (there is a elevated mount right on the corner with some trees) but you have to carry it some 220 meters and the wind is always in your face. Perfect shot is a nice little fade around the corner. Usually when I fade it too much it ends up on the mount in between some trees because of the wind. I attempted that shot yesterday and faded it too much. I thought I wound end up on the mount in between the trees where I usually end up, only to be surprised to find that it easily carried the small hill to end up in the middle of the fairway. Perfect shot! All in all I am pretty happy only the shaft will need to go. Found it to be too heavy overall for me. Had to work hard to make it work. Will most likely pop in a Loop CL that I have here. Should be a nice combo. Did not play around with the settings. Was set at 9° neutral. would definitely not go higher. Might try the more upright setting at some point.
Very promising at this point.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on November 22, 2017, 08:05:27 AM
Just received my Epic SZ yesterday with the Aldila Rogue Max 65 S shaft in a trade. I tested this head previously with the stock HZRDUS which I actually did like.
Played a quick 9 yesterday after work on my home course, so I know where I usually end up with good and bad drives. First verdict, this driver is definitely long! Longer than my previous gamer for sure by 10-15 meters. High launch low spin. Wasn't swinging all that great as I went straight to the tee and did not really have time to get comfortable with it. Wasn't fully trusting it and it showed with the drives. Mostly all fading.
There is a hole at the my home course that is a dogleg right. You can cut the corner slightly (there is a elevated mount right on the corner with some trees) but you have to carry it some 220 meters and the wind is always in your face. Perfect shot is a nice little fade around the corner. Usually when I fade it too much it ends up on the mount in between some trees because of the wind. I attempted that shot yesterday and faded it too much. I thought I wound end up on the mount in between the trees where I usually end up, only to be surprised to find that it easily carried the small hill to end up in the middle of the fairway. Perfect shot! All in all I am pretty happy only the shaft will need to go. Found it to be too heavy overall for me. Had to work hard to make it work. Will most likely pop in a Loop CL that I have here. Should be a nice combo. Did not play around with the settings. Was set at 9° neutral. would definitely not go higher. Might try the more upright setting at some point.
Very promising at this point.

After gaming the Ping G400 LST exclusively for a couple of rounds, I hit the Epic SZ again. I have to say that this thing is a beast. I am still looking for the right shaft to put in, but hard to imagine anything beating it when fitted with the proper shaft. Ping is still more forgiving I would say.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on November 22, 2017, 08:29:49 AM
The new Callaway “rouge” is longer than Epic!..... much longer!
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on November 22, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
The new Callaway “rouge” is longer than Epic!..... much longer!

You've hit it already? Prefer the look of the Epic though. At least from the leaked picture.
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Staxxx on November 23, 2017, 05:48:10 PM
I've offered my SZ up here locally after a couple of rounds, stock shaft (S) with a spare adapter free. It's long for sure but I am not getting used to the muted sound and feel :(
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on November 24, 2017, 05:00:25 AM
I've offered my SZ up here locally after a couple of rounds, stock shaft (S) with a spare adapter free. It's long for sure but I am not getting used to the muted sound and feel :(

I love the muted sound and feel.  ;D
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: DaleUK on November 24, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
Me too
Title: Re: Callaway Epic Thread
Post by: Shacco on January 02, 2018, 09:01:05 AM
Been switching between the Epic SZ and the G400 LST. Seems like I am now finally trending towards the Epic SZ. It was always longer than the G400 but now I am starting to dial in direction as well. Long and straight. What's not to like! Anybody needs a G400 LST 8.5?