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Title: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on August 23, 2015, 05:51:24 AM
So Iíve been playing graphite shafts for a while now which perhaps is a function of me believing (or wanting to at least) that they help an aging golfer coming back from an accident some years back to regain some distance with its lighter, shock absorbing properties.

Iím now so into graphite shafts, I donít think Iíll even go back to steel shafts in irons, not even light weight steel.  For me, the technological advancements in graphite shafts especially those with multiple higher modulus carbon full sheets combined with good wrapping methodologies deliver a level of consistency, predictability, dispersion and distance that steels shafts donít.  Maybe they do now as the last lightweight steel shaft I played was the NS Pro 750 (and that while good feeling, is nothing dispersion and distance wise compared to some of the graphite shafts I graduated to).  Not only do HMC graphite deliver quite a few performance traits I need, it also comes in mid kick options, something which not many light weight steel shafts offer and thatís no good for a higher launching flawed swing hacker like me.

QUADRA X52 SERIES

So my first serious foray into graphite shafts was with Quadra iirc.  I had tried some GD Tour AD graphite shafts before but found them boardy and lack of what I like to feel.  With the Quadra, Iíve played 852i, 752i and 652i.  The Quadraís are great feeling smooth shafts but not the best for distance and dispersion imo.  They are not bad, just not great.  However, for the money as some would say, they are very good value and coming from the company that supplies HMC sheets to the likes of GD, MRC and Crazy, they canít not be good.

(https://i.ibb.co/7ndY3Fs/Quadra.jpg)

FUJIKURA MCI X0 SERIES

I then moved on to Fujikuraís steel tip reinforced MCI.  I have settled on the MCI 70s.  This is Fujiís response to the Steel Fibre rage that went on for a while.  These shafts I think feel good, can be long but dispersionÖ not the best.  The MCI is a weird series thoughÖ MCI 50 stiff feels, even to me, like a wet noodle. MCI 60 S I tried in the super hot Kasco PT7 was super long but again, dispersion was erratic.  I have the MCI 70S in my Endo forged Yonex CBs and they work well enough.  I then tried a friendís MCI 80 regular and goodness, it is a lot stiffer (and hence felt boardier to me) than my MCI 70S.  I donít understand why different weight ranges of the same series feel SO different.  I expect some difference but this is really to the extreme.   Nonetheless, find the right weight and flex for your swing and you actually have a great shaft especially given the price point.

(https://i.ibb.co/djLTwHd/mci.jpg)

RODDIO I-X

From the MCI, I then moved on to the Roddio I-8 and when I did, I felt I had struck graphite iron nirvana.  Long, great great feel and excellent dispersion.  With the I-8SR hardstepped once in my 2013 OnOff, I actually shot my career low 74.  Theres not much to say here other than get and try these if you havenít already.  These are that good.  I donít know what kind of materials go into these and frankly donít care as these are that good.

(https://i.ibb.co/nCFgqcr/roddio.jpg)

MUZIIK BANGVOO PREMIUM

Then after I stumbled onto the Bangvoo Premium and MAVC80 driver shafts and met the owner of Muziik on my shores awhile back, I decided to try the Bangvoo Premium iron shafts for my incoming set of A-Grind R1 CBs.  If anything, just to see like many are still wondering for various reasons ::), if itís worth 2-3-4 times the cost of some other graphite shafts.  The Bangvoos are a progressively weighted shaft set that is offered in 6-PW sets with 3-5 I as loose shafts.  They play stiff to flex and my Bangvoo Regular flex shafts play stiffer than my Roddio I-8 SR hardstepped once and just a shade softer (CPMed by my hands) than the OTi 95 Stiff.  For me, hands down, these are the best graphite iron shafts Iíve ever played and YES, for me, worth the added price so much so, I got another set as spares.  The feeling is more one-piece (not to be read as boardy) and a tad less smooth the Roddios..but still very good.  Hit the sweet spot and the feel is orgasmic!  Performance wise is where it shines and for me a rung above the Roddio.  Dispersion is excellentÖ tighter than the Roddio.  Where it seems much better is distance.  Despite the R1 CBs being 1* weaker lofted and (I feel) less hot face wise than the 2013 OnOffs, I hit the R1 CB Bangvoo combo at least as long as the Roddio 2013 Forged combo.. consistently.  I would like to say its due to the R1CB head but as I mentioned earlier, I feel the 2013 OnOff Forged have the hottest iron faces.  The control on choke down shots with the Bangvoo is also excellent and itís a great combo for punch shots into wind.  Could be due to the progressive heavier weights (and maybe higher kick points and tip stiffer in the shorter shafts?).

(https://i.ibb.co/TcSLrCn/bangvoo.png)

MRC OTi

What about compared to the OTi? The OTi 95 stiff which Iíve had limited experience (only range time and 1 round with the 7I and 5I) performs well. The feel is on the rubbery side albeit smooth but different from the Quadra, Roddio and Bangvoo smooth feel.  It does seem to launch the ball a tad higher than the Bangvoo and is a tad shorter BUT my Mystery is 1* weaker than the R1CBs.  They do look real sleek with the Red capped White iomic grips on my Mystery 913 heads.  For my swing and my money, the OTi is a good shaft, just not Bangvoo great.

(https://i.ibb.co/R08n333/oti.jpg)

For now, the only graphite shaft I have not played and do want to try is the Fire Express 95 but my experience with them is they tend to play very over stiff in heavier weight classes and Iím afraid the FEX 95 iron shafts may be that for me.

(2020 edit)

Since this writeup a long while back, I've actually owned the FEX DGL 90 and demoed the WBA 95 both in stiff. I can't recall which head I had the DGL in but my fears on it playing stiffer to flex were not unfounded.  Its definitely a shaft for the stronger (strength and speed wise not necessarily handicap) player.  As it was too stiff for me, dispersion was obviously good at the expense of height and distance.

(https://i.ibb.co/rQxrCRn/FEX-DGL.jpg)

The WBQ on the other hand, felt a different animal.  Played much softer in the same printed flex. CPM numbers on compo's website was more truthful showing the DGL to be at least 10 CPM more in the same printed flex IIRC.  I can't comment too much on the WBQ as I didn't own and hence play it for long enough but if you're looking at these 2 shafts from compo and want something with more feel, the WBQ is the way to go.

(https://i.ibb.co/5WBWDvr/FEX-WBQ.jpg)


Fujikura Diamond Speeder

So Ive diddled with these for a while.  Played them in my GTD, tried them in the CNCPT02 but have landed with them in the CGS Orion Closer CB irons.  I've gone on about how a not so good shaft in one iron may play great in another head and vice versa and this continues to hold true for me.  The Closer iron which I tried with a Modus 105S felt like crap (the 105S felt really good in a Grindworks CBI) but the DS in the same iron felt... wow...

Feel wise, this is a glassier feeling shaft, quite the opposite of the Roddio as a reference.  I've also gone about paring of shafts to heads to enhance feel and feed back.  These DS shafts imo are better for softer feeling heads which is definitely what the Closer irons with the copper underlay are.  It's also a long shaft with a mid flight and mid to high spin I feel. Sorry no numbers and I really should get out my new ES14 which has been in the cubby since I got it 2 years ago.  Dispersion wise, I find its also very tight.

The DS is as "state-of-the-art" shaft as iron shafts go.  It's jam packed with pretty much the best materials.  I still hold that Fuji used Muziik as a MVP to gauge market acceptance of high end shafts and indeed they must feel that there is a solid enough market for this segment as they have not only launched the DS and platinum but also the Daytona.

(https://i.ibb.co/Q6y1kf8/DS.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/tqkSq0v/Screenshot-2020-12-27-at-11-13-04-AM.png)

Could it be a lot of marketing BS and placebo effect in play since Iíve already spent the money?  Maybe but so what if its working for me.  Is that tighter dispersion and a couple of  metres more per club worth that much more?  YES for me.  Can I get the same performance from cheaper shafts?  Iíve yet to find them BUT even if I did, maybe I just want to play less common place stuff (one reason why Iím into JDM obscure).

So all said and done, for me now, of course I will try new graphite shafts as and when they come out, but the Made for Muziik by Fujikura Bangvoo Premium iron shafts are simply the best bar noneÖ for ME. ;D


   
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: edgolf on August 23, 2015, 05:58:23 AM
Great write up and review Art...you should try Aerotech down the line as present still my best graphite shafts out there... Would be trying the OT soon and would be an interesting comparison.

Agree on Roddio...currently have a i10 shaft in my AFTour CB and unlikely to be pull anytime soon.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on August 23, 2015, 06:01:28 AM
Great write up and review Art...you should try Aerotech down the line as present still my best graphite shafts out there... Would be trying the OT soon and would be an interesting comparison.

Agree on Roddio...currently have a i10 shaft in my AFTour CB and unlikely to be pull anytime soon.

The Roddios are just great shafts man!
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: tokidoki1986 on August 23, 2015, 07:42:27 AM
This is definitely one of the greatest thread  ;)
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: ian-500 on August 23, 2015, 08:30:27 AM
Great thread. I've gamed a couple of these. I doubt I'll go back to steel shafts.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: RhodyGolf on August 23, 2015, 08:31:53 AM
Great write-up Art.

I'll have to add some other shafts in higher weight classes a little later.

Recoil 125 F5
Tour Attas 120
Tour Attas 110
Roddio i10
Thump X
Crazy CBI EVO 2

Soon to add Waccine GR88 just need to order heads for them.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: ian-500 on August 23, 2015, 08:47:19 AM
Great write-up Art.

I'll have to add some other shafts in higher weight classes a little later.

Recoil 125 F5
Tour Attas 120
Tour Attas 110
Roddio i10
Thump X
Crazy CBI EVO 2

Soon to add Waccine GR88 just need to order heads for them.
 

I thought you would have tried some Quadra shafts by now Steve?
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on August 23, 2015, 09:36:19 AM
Great write-up Art.

I'll have to add some other shafts in higher weight classes a little later.

Recoil 125 F5
Tour Attas 120
Tour Attas 110
Roddio i10
Thump X
Crazy CBI EVO 2

Soon to add Waccine GR88 just need to order heads for them.

That will be good S.  Now that you mention the Crazy iron shafts.. I have not owned a full set, play one in some hybrid a long while back.. One of the lighter range ... was ok...I tried the irons shafts at my fitters though.. didn't like it at all.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: RhodyGolf on August 23, 2015, 09:58:05 AM
Great write-up Art.

I'll have to add some other shafts in higher weight classes a little later.

Recoil 125 F5
Tour Attas 120
Tour Attas 110
Roddio i10
Thump X
Crazy CBI EVO 2

Soon to add Waccine GR88 just need to order heads for them.
 

I thought you would have tried some Quadra shafts by now Steve?
I did in a shoot out a couple of yrs ago.  Others outperformed them. All the ones listed I have gamed in at least one set of irons for a full season.

I have also gamed the RIP Proto presently and the Fuji Rombax a long while ago and have hit many more in trial builds including Quadra DGL, MCI, Accra, Aerotech.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: DaleUK on August 23, 2015, 10:12:50 AM
I'm trying the Labospec 105's
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: 95124hacker on August 23, 2015, 11:30:33 AM
Currently have these combos:
OnOff 2011's / Roddio i10 S
Yam V-Forged 2012 CB / Attas 7 S
PRGR iD Nabla Black CB / Tour AD 75 S
Fourteen TC 770 (2009) / Roddio i8 SR

My 2 faves of this group right now are the OnOff's and the Yam's.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: Staxxx on August 23, 2015, 12:07:00 PM
I've played Grafaloys, UST Mamiya Recoil F4, both OK but not to my liking .....but really looking forward to playing the Waccine GR-77 (85 gms) shafts either on my 303 heads or T-MBs.
If these don't work for me then I will revert back to steel for a while, probably the Modus 105.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: ian-500 on August 23, 2015, 03:47:14 PM
I've played Grafaloys, UST Mamiya Recoil F4, both OK but not to my liking .....but really looking forward to playing the Waccine GR-77 (85 gms) shafts either on my 303 heads or T-MBs.
If these don't work for me then I will revert back to steel for a while, probably the Modus 105.

Have you tried Steelfibers? Definitely give them a whirl before going back to steel.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: gian11 on August 23, 2015, 07:45:47 PM
Nice review there A! I thought that Roddio I-X is the most superior graphite shaft in the market today. I couldn't ask more when I paired this with Epon 302s but it looks like Bangvoo is even better hey.  I have OTi in the Honma DIs 3&4 and thought that they are that good but I put Roddios on top because of better feel.
I'm wanting to try the Bangvoos but how does it feel? For me, I prefer a glassy cracking sound/feel just like the Crazy UT in  the Epon 901. Is the Bangvoo similar to this?
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: freehb on August 23, 2015, 08:13:02 PM
Great write up art, I agree on graphite, I haven't really looked back since I went down the path several years ago...will try some Steele next week though...

Here are my preferences out of what I've tried:
Roddio i10
Roddio i9
Attas 10s
Crazy black iron
Recoil 110 proto
Aerotech i95
GD 95
Recoil 95

May have to give the bangvoo premiums a whirl....I guess I'll see how the OTs go and start looking on yaj for the bvp....
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on August 24, 2015, 09:10:44 AM
Nice review there A! I thought that Roddio I-X is the most superior graphite shaft in the market today. I couldn't ask more when I paired this with Epon 302s but it looks like Bangvoo is even better hey.  I have OTi in the Honma DIs 3&4 and thought that they are that good but I put Roddios on top because of better feel.
I'm wanting to try the Bangvoos but how does it feel? For me, I prefer a glassy cracking sound/feel just like the Crazy UT in  the Epon 901. Is the Bangvoo similar to this?
.

If it's a glassier feel and we have the same definition of that then yes.  As I suggested to H, get a single 5I shaft to try first.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on August 24, 2015, 09:11:39 AM
Great write up art, I agree on graphite, I haven't really looked back since I went down the path several years ago...will try some Steele next week though...

Here are my preferences out of what I've tried:
Roddio i10
Roddio i9
Attas 10s
Crazy black iron
Recoil 110 proto
Aerotech i95
GD 95
Recoil 95

May have to give the bangvoo premiums a whirl....I guess I'll see how the OTs go and start looking on yaj for the bvp....

H,

Just get the 5I to try first. 
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on August 24, 2015, 07:35:55 PM
Does anyone play(ed) the FEX WBQ iron shaft?  Appreciate it if you can chime in.  I think they'll look snazzy in the Metal Factory heads.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: 95124hacker on August 27, 2015, 01:28:18 AM
Has anyone played the Quadra 4AX SOF 100i 's in Stiff?  Thoughts compared to Roddio 's?
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: ian-500 on August 27, 2015, 02:47:37 AM
Has anyone played the Quadra 4AX SOF 100i 's in Stiff?  Thoughts compared to Roddio 's?

Oooo me me me me.........

I had the Quadra 100i stiff with Yamaha 2011 Tour model and again but tipped 1/2" with Yamaha 2010 Tour model. I had the Roddio i10 SX with S-Yard GT-S.

Quadra has a higher ball-flight, more distance and slightly better (softer)feel. Roddio was lower and slightly tighter with dispersion.

I would recommend both easily.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: 95124hacker on August 27, 2015, 09:06:16 AM
Has anyone played the Quadra 4AX SOF 100i 's in Stiff?  Thoughts compared to Roddio 's?

Oooo me me me me.........

I had the Quadra 100i stiff with Yamaha 2011 Tour model and again but tipped 1/2" with Yamaha 2010 Tour model. I had the Roddio i10 SX with S-Yard GT-S.

Quadra has a higher ball-flight, more distance and slightly better (softer)feel. Roddio was lower and slightly tighter with dispersion.

I would recommend both easily.

Thanks Ian.  I just pulled the trigger on a brand new set of the 100i 's for cheap.  Now I have to figure out what heads to pair them up withÖ  :)
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: unclej on August 28, 2015, 10:44:18 AM
May not be the same but would be quite similar. I play at set of Quadra DGL 115S (prototypes) in a set of Epon 303's and
a set of Roddio I-10's in a set of P2"s.

I find them quite similar.  With the heads being different they would not perform the same but I'm not sure I could tell you
which one works better for me as they are both 10's in my book.

IF... I had to choose between the two it would probably be the Quadra as they seem to feel more "one" with the heads
and the fact that I made my first ever hole in one with the 303/quadra 5 iron.....  kinda sets them a notch above.  :)
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on August 29, 2015, 12:42:31 AM
Just read that the fex wbq iron shaft plays about 50+ cpm more in the same flex than the quadra x52i series... Damn!  That's a lot!
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: tokidoki1986 on August 29, 2015, 01:35:58 AM
Now that there's graphite shaft review somebody should start steel shaft review too since there are so many technology improve in steel shaft lately
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: RhodyGolf on August 29, 2015, 08:19:47 AM
Now that there's graphite shaft review somebody should start steel shaft review too since there are so many technology improve in steel shaft lately
Perhaps we can get Stew to repost his artwork and add a few new drawrings...
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: mbbg on August 29, 2015, 10:05:17 PM
Now that there's graphite shaft review somebody should start steel shaft review too since there are so many technology improve in steel shaft lately
Perhaps we can get Stew to repost his artwork and add a few new drawrings...
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: RhodyGolf on August 30, 2015, 08:39:31 AM
Now that there's graphite shaft review somebody should start steel shaft review too since there are so many technology improve in steel shaft lately
Perhaps we can get Stew to repost his artwork and add a few new drawrings...
Someone caught the obscure reference...
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: edgolf on August 30, 2015, 08:42:25 AM
Surprise Art never try Basileus iron shafts, being such a fan of their driver and woods shafts...
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: tokidoki1986 on August 30, 2015, 11:02:08 AM
Surprise Art never try Basileus iron shafts, being such a fan of their driver and woods shafts...

That's true
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on August 30, 2015, 12:35:12 PM
Surprise Art never try Basileus iron shafts, being such a fan of their driver and woods shafts...

Just don't know much about boron... Need to get more game time with my vapec crazy boron to get a sense...
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: DaleUK on August 30, 2015, 01:59:43 PM
I've entered the world of Graphite iron shafts...
In the form of Labospec Shinari 105i.

Had these a few days but I have spent hours with these at the Practice ground and I have to say I'm blown away with the feel, distance and control!

Smooth isn't the word here, can't wait for my irons to clear customs
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: ian-500 on August 30, 2015, 04:23:50 PM
I've entered the world of Graphite iron shafts...
In the form of Labospec Shinari 105i.

Had these a few days but I have spent hours with these at the Practice ground and I have to say I'm blown away with the feel, distance and control!

Smooth isn't the word here, can't wait for my irons to clear customs

It's a new dawn Dale. Welcome :)
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: freehb on August 30, 2015, 05:22:25 PM
Bring it Dale...let your gear evolve...
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on September 13, 2015, 10:31:39 AM
H,

How do the Attas shafts stack up to the Roddios?
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on January 05, 2016, 05:01:53 AM
I'm playing the new gen Attas 80 Stiff in my Epon 302s and Mystery 913 heads and have been for a while.  Solid performers and good feeling.  Dispersion and distance are very satisfactory.  $ for $, these are probably the best value for money shafts out there.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: DaleUK on January 05, 2016, 10:15:01 AM
I've gone for Ot105's in my new Irons!!
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: freehb on January 05, 2016, 08:41:42 PM
I'm playing the new gen Attas 80 Stiff in my Epon 302s and Mystery 913 heads and have been for a while.  Solid performers and good feeling.  Dispersion and distance are very satisfactory.  $ for $, these are probably the best value for money shafts out there.

Would agree there.  I tried a roddio I 10 in my a 303 head and actually preferred the attas 10s in those heads.  Attas is a little softer, roddio provides a bit more feedback.  Whole package I'd go roddio but for the $?  Attas. 
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: freehb on January 05, 2016, 08:43:35 PM
I've gone for Ot105's in my new Irons!!

What happened to the shinari shafts?  Available?  Any way to get them shaft only?
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: DaleUK on January 06, 2016, 02:12:50 AM
I've gone for Ot105's in my new Irons!!

What happened to the shinari shafts?  Available?  Any way to get them shaft only?

H,

The Kuros have been moved on to a fellow club member, as I've ordered the VS200 Buchi with OT's....

Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on January 06, 2016, 04:45:43 AM
I've gone for Ot105's in my new Irons!!

What happened to the shinari shafts?  Available?  Any way to get them shaft only?

H,

The Kuros have been moved on to a fellow club member, as I've ordered the VS200 Buchi with OT's....

Stop mentioning the VS200s already will ya!  I ain;t got no room for another set of irons!  But do post reviews please.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: nobwas on January 06, 2016, 09:32:49 AM
Buchi VS with OTi 105 should be a good combination.
I had my VS originally built with OTi 95s and they were a bit too flexy and light for me.
Over the holidays, I re-shafted them with Crazy CBI-80 limiteds. 
Can't wait to put them in play this coming season!!
 
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: kl on January 06, 2016, 01:59:32 PM
I've gone for Ot105's in my new Irons!!

What happened to the shinari shafts?  Available?  Any way to get them shaft only?

H,

The Kuros have been moved on to a fellow club member, as I've ordered the VS200 Buchi with OT's....

Stop mentioning the VS200s already will ya!  I ain;t got no room for another set of irons!  But do post reviews please.
Exactly my sentiments!  I've been thinking about these a fair amount.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: DaleUK on January 06, 2016, 02:32:21 PM
... I'll have a review soon
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: 24hgolf on February 07, 2017, 11:06:15 AM
I've played Grafaloys, UST Mamiya Recoil F4, both OK but not to my liking .....but really looking forward to playing the Waccine GR-77 (85 gms) shafts either on my 303 heads or T-MBs.
If these don't work for me then I will revert back to steel for a while, probably the Modus 105.
Have you played the Waccine GR-77? If that is the case, what are your thoughts? Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: Staxxx on February 07, 2017, 12:20:43 PM
This was a long time ago !!
Yes had them (Waccine) and passed them on to a fellow FM too. They were too soft to flex for my liking. Am playing Roddios now. The Recoils were really good too with the right match. I used them on my 503 set.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: ian-500 on February 07, 2017, 01:26:48 PM
I've played Grafaloys, UST Mamiya Recoil F4, both OK but not to my liking .....but really looking forward to playing the Waccine GR-77 (85 gms) shafts either on my 303 heads or T-MBs.
If these don't work for me then I will revert back to steel for a while, probably the Modus 105.
Have you played the Waccine GR-77? If that is the case, what are your thoughts? Thanks for sharing.

You need some Fubuki's......
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: Staxxx on February 09, 2017, 12:12:40 AM
Has anyone played the MCI Black please? Do they play to flex, stiffer or softer? Thanks.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: nobwas on February 09, 2017, 05:28:45 PM
I have the MCI Blacks in my R1 CBs and love them!   I think they play right at flex.   

The lighter weight on the long irons definitely help with launching the ball higher.   
I used to always want a 4 iron replacement driving iron for the added launch ... but with these shafts, my 4 iron from the set launches just high.

Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: epower2009 on November 06, 2017, 10:26:36 PM
Great write up, did anyone try the new Mitsubishi Thump Iron shaft?
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: ian-500 on November 07, 2017, 01:38:46 AM
Hopefully I'll get to try the Accra Tour with Ti-mesh in the tip section. I doubt my fitter will have the Thump though.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: freehb on November 09, 2017, 06:46:50 PM
It's been a while since I played MCI, from memory they seemed slightly soft to my perception of a stock stiff 100 g premium carbon shaft but I could be fuzzy...

The P3s just got mci blacks 100s so will let you know...
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on September 26, 2020, 10:00:14 AM
Have some IIRC thoughts on the FEX shafts.  Have no experience with the newer gen fex shafts.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on September 27, 2020, 10:50:46 PM
Will be adding thoughts on Diamond Speeder soon.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: mbbg on September 28, 2020, 08:47:13 PM
Hate to even think about all the time and money spent on carbon iron and wedge shafts over the years just to end up back in Nippon steel and enjoying my best iron play in recent memory. Luckily resale value is good. 😂
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on September 28, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
Hate to even think about all the time and money spent on carbon iron and wedge shafts over the years just to end up back in Nippon steel and enjoying my best iron play in recent memory. Luckily resale value is good. 😂

Yeah, I know a few who feel this way and many more who won't ever go back to steel. 

Somehow NS Pro, however nice feeling, has never worked for my swing.  I tried to like the Modus 105 as well but I'm just so much more comfortable with graphite shafts.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: mbbg on September 28, 2020, 10:22:34 PM
Idk I have had varying levels of success with graphite irons shafts but inevitably move on. I really really really want graphite in all my clubs but the Modus 125 is just money for me.

The 105 is supposed to be a lighter version of same profile but I have absolutely hated it every time Iíve tried it. Doesnít make sense but canít argue with the results. Something about the 125 just fits my swing.

I also love the steel crazy branded KBS hybrid shaft in my RomaRo iBrid. That club has been money for me since receiving it.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: 95124hacker on December 26, 2020, 04:25:47 PM
Tried my share of graphite iron shafts, YMMV...

Smoothest: Roddio (hands down)
Best flighted: Steelfiber i95

Plays way too stiff for my old guy swing: Crazy CBI-02 Evolution, Fubuki AX i425

Good but not great: Quadra 100i, Tour AD 75, Recoil, OTi, MMT, MCI, Honma Vizard
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on December 26, 2020, 09:28:54 PM
Have added some thoughts on the Fuji Diamond Speeder. Will add thoughts in the Roddio Stella in due course.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: wmclarenf1 on December 26, 2020, 09:30:40 PM
Tried my share of graphite iron shafts, YMMV...

Smoothest: Roddio (hands down)
Best flighted: Steelfiber i95

Plays way too stiff for my old guy swing: Crazy CBI-02 Evolution, Fubuki AX i425

Good but not great: Quadra 100i, Tour AD 75, Recoil, OTi, MMT, MCI, Honma Vizard

Good to see you back dude.  If you find the Roddio i series smooth, try the stella.  Smooth on another level.

Agree on the CBI02.. very very different to the CBI80 and yes, that plays very stiff to flex imo as well.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: ian-500 on December 27, 2020, 05:18:48 AM
Tried my share of graphite iron shafts, YMMV...

Smoothest: Roddio (hands down)
Best flighted: Steelfiber i95

Plays way too stiff for my old guy swing: Crazy CBI-02 Evolution, Fubuki AX i425

Good but not great: Quadra 100i, Tour AD 75, Recoil, OTi, MMT, MCI, Honma Vizard

The first 4 shafts you mentioned are really good. The Fubuki were suprisingly good. I didn't feel that the Crazy 02 were overly stiff, but it goes to show how different we all are when it comes to feel.
Title: Re: Graphite Iron Shafts : My Comparative Experience
Post by: 95124hacker on December 27, 2020, 02:57:52 PM
Iím sure it has everything to do with your X flex swingspeed Ian vs my SR... Funny I can play X in driver no problem but irons are no go. Those Fubukis came in our irons trade a few years back...